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3 hours ago, Kayser said:

[...] Recently, we were approached with an idea of tackling some pirates. Specifically, we were approached by a few alliances who have historically been opposed to TKR or the sphere we occupied. What sort of dynamic alliance would we be if we passed up this opportunity to work with them?

We didn't need the other signatories in order to carry out this war from a military perspective. That's not the point. We wanted to add to the precedent of non treatied alliances with a common goal coming together in pursuit of that goal. That historical enemies can come together in pursuit of a common goal. That we are an alliance of our word and our publicly stated direction and desire is not shallow. That we will continue to pursue that direction and our rhetoric is to be taken at face value.

This is not the culmination of our labors, but it is an important incremental step. 

So here we are. This isn't about fighting a historical menace in Arrgh, it's about living up to our word. 

 

That and blue balls, jeez, its been like 9 months or something. Finally. 

And this is the most succinct explanation.  This is more about building trust and bridges than it is about rolling Arrgh.  In fact, Polaris alone could have rolled all of Arrgh's members who were not on beige, with the possible exception of Bluebear.  It wouldn't be the first time, either.  We did it very successfully once before, until Arrgh went and got TEst to come bail them out.  TEst is gone now.  Partisan's Final Joke is not half the dragon that TEst was, and they seem to be willing to keep out of this.

The reality is that Orbis has been severely divided into completely separate spheres of influence for too long.  Mass quantities of treaties WERE preventing movement.  There has been an attitude of complete distrust or hatred, although arguably irrational, toward members of another bloc simply because of who their allies were, and because of old grudges.  People change.  Alliances change.  If your alliance lives long enough, you will see your brothers become your enemies, and your enemies become your brothers.  Those with whom you've warred to the death turn out to be real people with morals and ethics, and real reasons for their actions.

We should all be open to learning about each other, supporting goals and morals we can agree upon, and respecting each other even when our disagreements lead to war.  I will admit that I am not immune to shortsightedness and suspicion, or treating historical enemies as permanent ones.  I am not a saint.  I ask only that you hear my words and judge for yourselves.

We have taken the step of trusting another alliance's word--one that has been a historical enemy--that their buildup was in fact for a joint project.  Could TKR have hit and rolled Polaris with their buildup?  Quite possibly.  And I am willing to admit having MDPs to rely on does make that trust easier for me personally.  But I would not see us refuse the hand of friendship in a small matter when it is offered as a gesture of brotherhood against a common aggressor.  Perhaps small issues may be resolved by other means than war.  Perhaps we should have allies, not based on who is going to help us attack and defeat those alliances we see as our rivals, but based on common beliefs and core principles.

War will never end whether on Earth, or in Orbis.  But it need not be sought for petty causes.  There is always a cost to war, and the efforts should be spent well.  I will always prefer the just war against a transgressor to any war of conquest or dominance.  Your view of what a transgressor is may differ, as Arrgh's does from ours.  In that case, we may one day stand on opposite sides of the battlefield.

I merely ask that we be rational beings, and at least learn who they are that we are told are the enemy, and decide for ourselves.

 

6 Hours ago, Bourhann said: I don't even know who you are.

Perhaps you could change that.  Feel free to chat me up!  You'll find I have no irrational hatred of you, and that I am quite willing to hear all about your ethics and ideals.

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9 minutes ago, Buorhann said:
17 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

That being said, the game does seem to be gradually moving in a more Dynamic direction IMO(We have Rose sphere, KT sphere, nuke bloc, in addition to the inquisition megabloc. This is a improvement from the historical Syndisphere Vrs Paracov.

Is it?

I don't recall a 9/10 month peace time happening during those years.

Context please, what I said was:

 

17 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

Finally, on your last point, I agree with you. TKR hasn't achieved their goals yet and in a broad sense, the game is not that dynamic. That being said, the game does seem to be gradually moving in a more Dynamic direction IMO(We have Rose sphere, KT sphere, nuke bloc, in addition to the inquisition megabloc. This is a improvement from the historical Syndisphere Vrs Paracov. So perhaps with more time this trend will continue?

So yes, I agree with you..? The game is not that dynamic in the broad sense. I'm not sure what type of response you where looking for with cherry picking like that XD

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The new TKR:

"We recognize we've been a part of the problem: making the game stagnant. So we're dropping the most reliable ally one could have (Guardian) and get closer to the largest sphere in the game, in a desperate attempt to avoid getting rolled". I guess that's the most important step a man can take.

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17 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

Context please, what I said was:

 

So yes, I agree with you..? The game is not that dynamic in the broad sense. I'm not sure what type of response you where looking for with cherry picking like that XD

You say it's an improvement from Syndisphere vs Paracov, then turn around and agree with me?

If you want to add the rest of your context which, if I'm not mistaken here, is your assumption that a multiple minisphere game would be an improvement.  However, you do not know this as it has not happened in the way you're picturing it.

Or, if you want to say it has happened (the sphere examples you've used), then how is it a improvement again?  The game was boring up till when TJest brought up the meme game again.

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5 minutes ago, Insert Name Here said:

The new TKR:

"We recognize we've been a part of the problem: making the game stagnant. So we're dropping the most reliable ally one could have (Guardian) and get closer to the largest sphere in the game, in a desperate attempt to avoid getting rolled". I guess that's the most important step a man can take.

My wayward child,

I can see why someone in an alliance being rolled by TKR would say that XD. But let's be real for a minute, a it's quite the leap in logic to label a joint retaliation on arrgh and trying to reconfigure the political landscape as "cozying up to IQ in a desperate attempt prevent being rolled" heh. If TKR wanted to continue the two side dynamic with EMC, we could have I'd imagine. It's quite the task we've brought upon ourselves, but we're going try :D

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9 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

My wayward child,

I can see why someone in an alliance being rolled by TKR would say that XD. But let's be real for a minute, a it's quite the leap in logic to label a joint retaliation on arrgh and trying to reconfigure the political landscape as "cozying up to IQ in a desperate attempt prevent being rolled" heh. If TKR wanted to continue the two side dynamic with EMC, we could have I'd imagine. It's quite the task we've brought upon ourselves, but we're going try :D

 

Are you high? Do you have any idea how many times Arrgh has gotten rolled? Do you think we care? Just look at how much infra Arrgh nations have.

If you had any common sense you'd know that stupid stuff like declaring war on Arrgh just motivates us to go out of our way to inflict damage on the attacker. So I hope TKR and co enjoy the pointless damage they're gonna take.

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57 minutes ago, Buorhann said:

You say it's an improvement from Syndisphere vs Paracov, then turn around and agree with me?

If you want to add the rest of your context which, if I'm not mistaken here, is your assumption that a multiple minisphere game would be an improvement.  However, you do not know this as it has not happened in the way you're picturing it.

Or, if you want to say it has happened (the sphere examples you've used), then how is it a improvement again?  The game was boring up till when TJest brought up the meme game again.

1) Uhm, get some sleep and then re read my post and hopefully then you'll be able to understand it, I was quite clear. Unless you are going to continue to pretend that I didnt say that the game is not dynamic in the broad sense. If so, shame on you!

2) I think a lot of us are at the point where the two sphere dynamic has jsut been played out too many times. You do have a fair point in this though, will it be the better game we desire? We dont know. But if we want to try and make the game more interesting, this is the path we must forge to atleast try and better it

3) I said the game was becoming gradually more dynamic, but it is still 'un-dynamic' in the broad sense. Get some sleep man, then re-read my posts in the morning, I think it'll help. I did not say in any form that the game has achieved a meaningfully dynamic state, just that there are some small trends in that direction at this time. I was clear in that.

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17 minutes ago, Insert Name Here said:

 

Are you high? Do you have any idea how many times Arrgh has gotten rolled? Do you think we care? Just look at how much infra Arrgh nations have.

If you had any common sense you'd know that stupid stuff like declaring war on Arrgh just motivates us to go out of our way to inflict damage on the attacker. So I hope TKR and co enjoy the pointless damage they're gonna take.

You know, before all the arrgh posts on the forums I actually did think that. But with all the butt hurt posts/threats/QQing, I think it's clear that you guys do care. I'm not sure why though tbh, because as you said, your infra levels where low to begin with and with the game's mechanics, raiding is always going to be viable.

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Just now, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

You know, before all the arrgh posts on the forums I actually did think that. But with all the butt hurt posts/threats/QQing, I think it's clear that you guys do care. I'm not sure why though tbh, because as you said, your infra levels where low to begin with and with the game's mechanics, raiding is always going to be viable.

 

Naw, no butthrut here, fam. Just a bit puzzled as to why TKR would admit they were part of the stagnation problem in this game - the idea behind dropping Guardian was apparently doing something to break that cycle.

Now you just see TKR desperately trying to attach themselves to the largest sphere in the game, some of the main culprits for the aforementioned stagnation, in an attempt to remove a target from their backs.

TKR's supposed intentions aren't being backed up by their actions. So I'm just highlighting the contradictory nature of all this, no more, no less.

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2 minutes ago, Insert Name Here said:

 

Naw, no butthrut here, fam. Just a bit puzzled as to why TKR would admit they were part of the stagnation problem in this game - the idea behind dropping Guardian was apparently doing something to break that cycle.

Now you just see TKR desperately trying to attach themselves to the largest sphere in the game, some of the main culprits for the aforementioned stagnation, in an attempt to remove a target from their backs.

TKR's supposed intentions aren't being backed up by their actions. So I'm just highlighting the contradictory nature of all this, no more, no less.

Nearly every major alliance ingame got swept into the two side dynamic, I dont think it was anything noteworthy that they viewed themselves as part of it IMO

If TKR became 'attached'/part-of to IQ, it would be an unrecoverable IA disaster. The people in TKR believe in what they are doing, this is simply an attempt to try break the two side dynamic by helping historic foes and to try and make meaningful friendships

I think they are, EMC was a very strong group of alliances, if TKR just wanted a strong posture we could of just left what works alone IMO. It was a lot of wars with the same dynamic man, at a point it just became "IQ Vrs EMC" every 3 months, and it got old =/. It was a ballsy plan by our leadership to even attempt to do this hah, it's one hell of a project to try and achieve. But just doing the same wars every 3 months was just not where we wanted to be IMO

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The one thing I learned from this thread, is the size of tkr's ego. Or at least the god emporer guy, though I should've guessed it from the name.

 

Clinging to the word dynamic to improve your PR is stale and honestly just annoying. If you wanted to hit arrgh purely in some form of righteous calling, you wouldn't need to make a big spectacle of it. So you say you want to show you can put grudges to bed? That typically infers the intent to tie individuals. You say this wasn't an attempt to get into bed with IQ, but when you try to make friendships with alliances who are in a bloc with a superiority claus e, your intent is to either join the bloc or waste your own time. I, frankly, don't care one way or another, but stop trying to cover up what you're doing so poorly. At least put a little effort forward.

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3 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

Nearly every major alliance ingame got swept into the two side dynamic, I dont think it was anything noteworthy that they viewed themselves as part of it IMO

If TKR became 'attached'/part-of to IQ, it would be an unrecoverable IA disaster. The people in TKR believe in what they are doing, this is simply an attempt to try break the two side dynamic by helping historic foes and to try and make meaningful friendships

I think they are, EMC was a very strong group of alliances, if TKR just wanted a strong posture we could of just left what works alone IMO. It was a lot of wars with the same dynamic man, at a point it just became "IQ Vrs EMC" every 3 months, and it got old =/. It was a ballsy plan by our leadership to even attempt to do this hah, it's one hell of a project to try and achieve. But just doing the same wars every 3 months was just not where we wanted to be IMO

 

Nah fam, it's TKR realizing they had to get out of a sinking ship after EMC fragmented. TKR's goal (and their actions have proven it time and time again) has never been to shake things up.

TKR cares about its own survival and does whatever it takes, in this case trying to get closer to the largest sphere in the game. People aren't stupid and facts contradict TKR's narrative.  Everyone knows what's TKR's intention by declaring war with 3 formerly hostile alliances (or at least tied to traditional enemies) on an alliance that is always rekt and will never stop raiding.

You can try to spin any way you want, but you won't be fooling anybody.

 

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3 minutes ago, FilipS said:

Why are there 4 alliances fighting pirates with no infrastructure? 

 

enitely a shitass waste 

4 Alliances of around 250 people together are destroying an alliance of 60 people, I never believed that would of happened

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I feel bad for the 'undersigned' folks.

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Are you originally from Earth, too?

Proud owner of Harry's goat. It's mine now.

I now own MinesomeMC's goat, too. It's starting to look like a herd.

Yep, it is a herd. Aldwulf has added his goat, too, and it ain't Irish.

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@Micchan, I don't care about the war on Arrgh, we're used to getting dogpiled. However, it kinda rubs me the wrong way when an alliance tries to pass as honorable and yet jumps at any chance to dogpile. And when it claims they just want to put an end to its usual MO of contributing to a boring dynamic, yet they're willing to do whatever it takes to survive, including desperate attempts at attaching themselves to one of the groups of alliances with more responsibility for the current stagnation on Orbis.

So you misinterpreted what I've been saying, but no harm done.

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6 minutes ago, Insert Name Here said:

@Micchan, I don't care about the war on Arrgh, we're used to getting dogpiled. However, it kinda rubs me the wrong way when an alliance tries to pass as honorable and yet jumps at any chance to dogpile. And when it claims they just want to put an end to its usual MO of contributing to a boring dynamic, yet they're willing to do whatever it takes to survive, including desperate attempts at attaching themselves to one of the groups of alliances  with more responsibility for the current stagnation on Orbis.

So you misinterpreted what I've been saying, but no harm done.

Arrgh is a poor paperless alliance who was just dogpiled by the evil TKR or Arrgh is a pirate alliance who averages 3-5 raids per day on TKR and allies and therefore Arrgh deserve to be always at war and dogpiled? Which one?

TKR dissolved the strongest bloc in the game trying to change the status quo or TKR is trying to sign IQ because IQ is the new super strong hegemony (who just had big troubles dealing with Jest and lost all the previous wars with EMC) because TKR is coward and want to stay with the strongest? Wich one?

You have to make two choices because those things can't coexist

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33 minutes ago, Ripper said:

Just call things with their name and all is good. Regardless of any other goals behind the hit, this is a war against an alliance that dares to declare raids on you and you want to retaliate. There is nothing more and nothing less in it. Remove all the evil/good talk and the "services" you provide to the rest of Orbis. Just say you want to defend yourselves and for some reason you need help from 3-4 other alliances.

Did anyone said something different?

Then from what my gov said we are using this chance to see how it is working with those alliances and see if maybe we can build something in the future with them

idk if there's a third reason but sure we are not doing this war for that reason only, TKR wanted to hit Arrgh, our low tier started asking for this war at the end of the summer but we know it is pointless to we always just countered, now we are doing it because this lack of wars is killing us and this is better than nothing, if we are lucky someone decide to counter and help Arrgh

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5 minutes ago, Micchan said:

Did anyone said something different?

Then from what my gov said we are using this chance to see how it is working with those alliances and see if maybe we can build something in the future with them

idk if there's a third reason but sure we are not doing this war for that reason only, TKR wanted to hit Arrgh, our low tier started asking for this war at the end of the summer but we know it is pointless to we always just countered, now we are doing it because this lack of wars is killing us and this is better than nothing, if we are lucky someone decide to counter and help Arrgh

And thus you choose a target with 0 military and ties to "practice" and "challenge" yourself. Thanks for confirming. :v

Considering Arrgh's zero infra and military though, I don't really know what kind of "war" you are expecting. There are no pixels to burn.

However, if that is the war you've been waiting for 6 months now as you say, then I can only wish you to have fun.

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