Bastion needs to grow up

[Kurdanak]

[Flavee]

15 hours ago, Princess Kitty said:

takes one to know one

we are what we eat

Words speak louder than actions

One man's trash is another man's treasure

Give a man trash and he is fed for a day, teach a man to be trash and he can live forever

once trash always trash

trash, trash, makes many

trash wasn't built in a day

see no trash, hear no trash, speak no trash

trash is cheap

 

trash is always greener on the other side

Thorin as worst Shitposting award 2018.

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4 minutes ago, Sun Yat-sen said:

>nazbols are Neo Nazis. 

That is completely false. Also, I was memeing. I’m not actually a nazbol.

Kek NAZBOL GANG

Wew lad. 

They don't understand that most of us aren't NatSoc. We're different flavors of right wing/fash.

[kosmokenny]

You stupid !@#$ing nazis need to hurry up and grow so I can smash you again. 

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2 minutes ago, kosmokenny said:

You stupid !@#$ing nazis need to hurry up and grow so I can smash you again. 

Everyone else is already rolling them. Though you have to admit this is the only fun the OWF still has. Everything else is:

"Well folks turns out diplomacy wins again. Tune in next time, we're signing another treaty for IQ"

[Big Brother]

27 minutes ago, Sun Yat-sen said:

>nazbols are Neo Nazis. 

That is completely false. Also, I was memeing. I’m not actually a nazbol.

Being a nazbol is memeing.

Silly reactionaries don't realize their ideological beliefs overlap each other to the point where any meaningful difference is almost completely diminished. But hey, I guess that does live up to my expectations.

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14 minutes ago, Big Brother said:

Being a nazbol is memeing.

Silly reactionaries don't realize their ideological beliefs overlap each other to the point where any meaningful difference is almost completely diminished. But hey, I guess that does live up to my expectations.

Ayy buddy, where are those Mensheviks? 

[Johnny Costello]

2 hours ago, Sun Yat-sen said:

It is laundry detergent lol

I’m starting to actually think you are stupid.

Cool either way you shouldn't be eating the shit.  You equating my mistaking of eating Laundry vs Dish detergent to racism and I'm stupid,  seems comical.  

 

Alas I'm wasting my time here.  Good day being a miserable waste of life.  I'll be enjoying mine.  ??

[Big Brother]

1 hour ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

Ayy buddy, where are those Mensheviks? 

Implying that I'm what, a bolshevik? Smh.

1 hour ago, Sun Yat-sen said:

I never said I was actually a nazbol... so wtf are you trying to imply? 

That Nazbol memeing equals being a Nazbol. Really would have thought you'd be able to infer that on your own.

[Rozalia]

@Lucifer Morningstar

All hail our breakfast cereal of choice Brexit and the second Emperor of America Donald Trump. As for the other, no image, but I remember doing it up on Discord so I searched it.

You are a: Communist Totalitarian Total-Isolationist Nativist Progressive

Collectivism score: 100%
Authoritarianism score: 83%
Internationalism score: -100%
Tribalism score: 67%
Liberalism score: 50%

18 hours ago, Buorhann said:

First you're taking my post out of context.   I was merely stating that durmij wasn't too far off from his statement on isolationism/supremacy/etc.

Second, yes, isolationism is a bad thing -  but that's for a different topic and conversation altogether.

Isolationism at it's most extreme is certainly a negative. Historically we can say point to cases like China who were the most advanced and strongest nation on the planet for a good portion of time and then fell terribly behind. We can point to Japan who after opening up to outside influences became one hell of a power, both the modern version and the Imperial version. However the other extreme that is pushed today also has it's own faults so what you want is a nice mix. More Isolationism is certainly needed in the world these days to put things back more towards a healthy balance.

18 hours ago, durmij said:

Not an undeserved joke, as there are far more bad egoists that basically amount to the Rick and Morty fans of philosophy then there are actual egoists. But I was using "spook" correctly here. Stirner originally used it to describe humanism, the worship of man over god, as being just as flawed as religion. Anything that one worships can be a spook if it isn't purely based in the material reality and is the basis of one's worldview. The idea of race being directly tied to culture has been thoroughly debunked, to say nothing of most "race science" being alluded to here. So worshipping one's own race and ascribing values to it is indeed, spooky.
 

See above.

Racial studies can be a type of taboo I hear. Scientists stepping out of the accepted narrative deemed heretics gone rogue and such. Commentators common or otherwise are likewise scared of addressing the subject from what I've seen. People have been called Nazis for simply saying that Africans are better runners or that X's IQ's average is lower. Things that are factually accurate... I think the issue of "race science" is certainly one that people should be more open on as the current approach only gives credibility to the side that wants to talk about it.

As for culture/race, talked with these sorts much on it and not something they're really going to be convinced on no. How I see it cultures do have what you could certainly define as a "Main Race". The reason for this is the large majority of cultures (exceptions I'm sure) have one primary racial group. Most of these have also been very insular and not had their makeup change so a person coming to a conclusion that culture is tied to race is understandable. Of course we can see certainly now though obviously it was apparent in history too (Mongols becoming Chinese, Persian, Indian for examples) that people of all races can belong to a culture, acting in the same manner. 

What I will say though is... that does not mean you can simply overload the culture group with other races and have it end up rosy. A different race, being different can be a barrier to entry into the culture group. This can be the rejection of the culture group's members itself, but it can also be the person themselves deeming themselves as not belonging. Reasons for that can vary but current globalist policies of multiculturalism certainly contributes. People come in and need not integrate themselves, to be absorbed if not themselves then their children, for they are surrounded with people from the old culture. The government with it's limp hand not only doesn't do anything to integrate them, but it states that them not integrating is somehow a good thing, the beauty of diversity as they call it. So we have that different culture, these days often of a different racial group then the main race of the main culture in the country, more and more of them build up, and we get bad times for all. 

I can be scattershot and go all over the place, especially on these sort of subjects but in essence race does matter to a degree (on being more able to enter) but even more so does the policy of the country on how to handle these people. In the west now more than ever we have a very accepting group of people... if immigration and integration was handled well we could see great things for the people of different skin colour coming in/here. Heck, it'd be the best thing to happen to them as once part of the main culture their level of crime goes down, their education goes up, their wealth goes up, their chances at life... instead we have the poison that is multiculturalism... oh well. Simple fact is these matters will ultimately end badly if they keep going and they'll be the winners. Those on the left and right, pushing their agenda (for different reasons) need to dial it all back to a more moderate position. 

Oh and the whole "Anti-Black" thing with White Nationalists you I believe mentioned in some other post. It would I would say depend on how you define it. The likes of Richard Spencer or say the KKK group who broke bread with the NOI don't advocate for the death of all blacks nor exactly their smashing into the dirt. They want in a place like America a white state and a black state. Black Nationalist types also have that same idea floating in there. 

6 hours ago, Johnny Costello said:

It's 2018. There may be a human race.  But guess what.  There are different races of human.  To deny that is outright idiotic and frankly the dumbest shit I've ever heard. 

 

Here is what you do.  

1. Recognize that those who are paler get a better chance at opportunity in this world,  it's an unconscious act. 

2. Be inclusive and have an open mind to the fact that anybody can and does except in life.  There isn't any reason that only whites are rich,  except the fact that people are afraid of a black man having power?  Wanna guess why.  Ask those who hate Barak Obama.  

 

The goal here is to stop being a racist pos.  Not make memes about it.  If you got a problem with that go eat a tide pod

Nothing to do with being pale. You can have a nice tan and you will still enjoy that nice privilege. Ladies love the white man though yes.

There were people who voted twice for Obama who voted Trump. The far-right actually mocks the Trump-right, the Alt-Light if you will, for their tendency to point out and put on a pedestal guys like Carson for being "model black people" if you will. 

[Rozalia]

13 minutes ago, Gabranth said:

wtf Roz is unironically Nazbol??

Ummm... I suppose I can see why you would say that based off the words presented. The values test gives me Revolutionary Socialism.

[Rozalia]

Just now, Gabranth said:

mate this is clearly Nazbolism if I've ever seen it, you must have inconsistent beliefs regarding law and state

These tests will always have slight variance as people decide to do the middle road option sometimes, go in a direction other times. Retaking it, holds up pretty firmly in that direction. Totalitarian switching to Authoritarian, Nativist to Nationalist, Progressive to Liberal (all one level differences)... rest stays the same. 

[Johnny Costello]

19 hours ago, Rozalia said:

@Lucifer Morningstar

There were people who voted twice for Obama who voted Trump. 

(Won't delete picture)  

 

You're right Roz.  Those people aren't the solidly racist jerks I'm quoting about thou.  I'm quoting racists not Trump voters ?

[Micchan]

Oh 4 pages, maybe there's something I should read...

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[Starbuck]

man this thread is a nazi gold mine. It's like all the worst people in this game came en masse to proclaim "I'm not a nazi! I'm only a racist nationalist!"

[Starbuck]

1 minute ago, Gabranth said:

I don't give a hoot, call me a nazi if it rubs your G-spot. It's the closest thing to the truth 

I see your "reformation" was just bullshit I see?

[Starbuck]

1 minute ago, Gabranth said:

Not really, the whole thing was basically apologising for admitting I'm a nazi lmao, get some reading comprehension in ya. At no point did I mention that I'm gonna change my political beliefs wtf, it's just saying I'm not gonna go after people IC anymore.

" I do this in the hope that I can humble myself before any of the people who have actively partaken in the pursuit of my destruction, and to any of the people who I have unjustly vilified"

Back to my hole I guess

So you apologize for admitting you're a nazi and then go around admitting you're a nazi? So in reality, your post was basically just saying "I'm a nazi, but don't worry, I won't bring my vile beliefs in-game anymore." But then you also say "unjustly vilified" which seems to suggest your OOC beliefs are unjustified?

Seems like bullshit to me.

[Sir Scarfalot]

51 minutes ago, Sun Yat-sen said:

Dude, go mind your own business. We have been minding our business while you guys are constantly throwing tantrums over our personal beliefs. 

[Starbuck]

1 hour ago, Sun Yat-sen said:

Dude, go mind your own business. We have been minding our business while you guys are constantly throwing tantrums over our personal beliefs. 

Oh yes you are definitely minding your own business while you post in public for everyone to see. The fact is you're cancer, a rather difficult one to get rid of, but with enough public support and funding I'm sure one day all of our research will amount to a cure for your presence here.

[Honey Monster]

So....obviously this thread has carried off course from the OP, but I see there is still somewhat of a discussion going on, which is cool. 

Lets just simmer down on the personal jabs and call outs. 

First global verbal warning. 

 

[Dr Rush]

9 hours ago, Micchan said:

Oh 4 pages, maybe there's something I should read...

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1 hour ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

Frank just lock it, the thread has already been won.

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6 hours ago, Starbuck said:

man this thread is a nazi gold mine. It's like all the worst people in this game came en masse to proclaim "I'm not a nazi! I'm only a racist nationalist!"

It's actually impossible for me to be Nazi. I'm not fully white.

You can however be part of the Falangist and Classical Italian Fascism. Peron+Pinochet+Sicilia's Mexican Fash (not true fascism, but still a watered down variant, fully hispanic btw) are non-white nationalist movements. 

That being said, I'm not SS tier racial views, however I do have my reservations regarding certain groups/cultures. Without a doubt, there is a definite inequality.

[Big Brother]

5 hours ago, Sun Yat-sen said:

Dude, go mind your own business. We have been minding our business while you guys are constantly throwing tantrums over our personal beliefs. 

Here's a lesson for you: As long as you espouse the kind of xenophobic and authoritarian beliefs that you do, people all over the planet will be willing to fight to their deaths in order to prevent you from realizing your political ideas and repeating the horrors of the last century. If you want to be left alone, abandon your vile views and live in peace. That's all it takes, Until then, we will never stop throwing tantrums over your personal beliefs. They are unacceptable and any decent human being has a moral imperative to fight against the propagation of such beliefs. You have brought it on yourself.

2 hours ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

That being said, I'm not SS tier racial views, however I do have my reservations regarding certain groups/cultures. Without a doubt, there is a definite inequality.

Are you referring to the 0.5% average difference in DNA sequences that separate one human being from another or are you referring to the socioeconomic inequalities between the West/imperialist core and the majority of the rest of the world that came about as a result of decades of European colonialism and capitalist exploitation?

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31 minutes ago, Big Brother said:

Here's a lesson for you: As long as you espouse the kind of xenophobic and authoritarian beliefs that you do, people all over the planet will be willing to fight to their deaths in order to prevent you from realizing your political ideas and repeating the horrors of the last century. If you want to be left alone, abandon your vile views and live in peace. That's all it takes, Until then, we will never stop throwing tantrums over your personal beliefs. They are unacceptable and any decent human being has a moral imperative to fight against the propagation of such beliefs. You have brought it on yourself.

Are you referring to the 0.5% average difference in DNA sequences that separate one human being from another or are you referring to the socioeconomic inequalities between the West/imperialist core and the majority of the rest of the world that came about as a result of decades of European colonialism and capitalist exploitation?

It's both. At some point all humans were spear-chuckers. Eventually something happened that made others better. I believe that possibly wars, disease, and competition culled the weaker ones and thus created better genetic stock of certain populations. Strife makes for tougher and better people. Certain areas endured greater hardship and once that was removed, it led to a mass expansion and conquest. So I don't believe it's some divine gift from god or the gods that certain populations are superior, I believe it's a matter circumstance and their environmental history culling the weak and development of a culture that values advancement. We can see populations which look virtually identical to others in close proximity with different cultures such as in Europe. Why is it that some surpass others while others are decadent or stagnant? The genetic stock/potential might be there, but the mindset from the culture is backwards.

[Big Brother]

5 hours ago, Gabranth said:

Similarly, as long as you espouse the dogmatic and anti-humanistic communist propaganda that you do, there will be men and women willing to lay down their lives all the same, speaking of the horros of the last century. Abandon your vile views and live in peace. Until then, we will never stop throwing tanties about your personal beliefs, they are unacceptable and any strong human being has a moral imperative to fight against the continuation of such beliefs.

Except that's not true at all, is it? Don't tell me you're that naive. Fascists don't settle for letting people live in peace, fascists seek to exterminate whole groups of people. That is a core difference between the far-left and the far-right; we would let you be if you give up your ways, but you want to see us all dead.

Anti-humanistic? Compared to what, you and the far-right? You people are the ones that seek to enslave the individual to the state and the glory of the nation as a whole. Communism is the most humanistic ideology there is because we seek the establishment of an economic system in which everyone's basic needs are covered, freeing up their time to pursue their dreams and desires, and develop themselves as human beings. You want people to be cogs in the machine that is the state, we want all states to end so that people can truly be free. I don't need peace from you. There is nothing you can do to harm me, in any way. You cling to your claims of strength when in fact your beliefs are rooted in fear and weakness. What do I have to fear from someone so afraid of the changing world around them? No, I do not want peace. Not until the world is red.

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Quoting genetic differences means nothing, as .5% of 3 billion is 150 million genetic differences between me and you. We share 96% of our DNA with chimps, 60% with bananas. That is still the majority of DNA. Crazy how that works out. The socioeconomic differences between nations directly correlate with average IQ, too. Discussed this with Baronus some weeks earlier, and the conclusion he came to was the lack of education in subpar nations, and yet provided no answer as to the genesis of education, all of which began in areas in the northern hemisphere. It is easy to say that developing nations suck because of capitalist exploitation or whatever, but it just doesn't add up, especially regarding Australia, the Americas, and Africa. Go back much further, and you can see that domestication and agricultural developments happened much faster and earlier in Europe than elsewhere because of the number of animals ripe for domestication - pigs, cows, horses etc. Those animals are not native or do not have a native equivalent in Australia, the Americas or sub-Saharan Africa, and as such were never going to develop beyond what the animals could provide. Had Europeans never arrived in Africa or Australia, it would be an oddity, seeing tribespeople hunt and gather and never progress beyond that, because they don't have the natural resources required to progress as a civilisation beyond what they already had. Efficiency is the word I'm looking for, and I know you commies hate it because it's inherently capitalist or something but it just so happens that humans are weak in the body and strong in the mind compared to animals, and leaving plowing to cows and traveling faster with horses is just ideal. The socioeconomic differences in developing nations are not due to some capitalistic conspiracy to keep the worker down, it's simply because those societies have only had the tools that Europeans, Asians and North Africans have had for thousands of years got them some 500 years ago. Think bigger

Think bigger? Your kind are the people who cling to their nations, their cultures, not realizing that time will inebvitably turn it all to dust. You are short-sighted and only seek what benefits you, now. Everything you ever held dear about your country, your culture, moral values, will all be forgotten. Who is to say which nations, which cultures will exist 500 years from now? 1000 years? 5000? You have no right to accuse me of thinking small. The only history, the only culture, the only race and civilization that matters, is that of humanity as a whole. And even that, the billions of people that have existed, exist and will exist in the future, will eventually become nothing.

0.5% is 150 million genetic differences, yes. But you do realize how percentages work, yes? All those differences are minuscule and meaningless. In comparison, the similarities are far more prevalent. 99.5% similar. As you said, billions of similarities. A man living in Seoul and a man living in Rome can be more genetically similar than two men living on the same street in Tokyo. The differences are not meaningful and make no actual difference in capability or intelligence.

You have essentially made my point for me. The success of people in the northern hemisphere is mainly the result of being lucky. Fortunate. Any group of people would have flourished had they had access to the same resources people had/have in the northern hemisphere. Therefore, there is no basis for seeing cultures or people in the northern hemisphere as being inherently better than people anywhere else. We were just lucky.

Efficiency? Why would we hate efficiency? We despise capitalism because of how inefficient it is at providing for the world's masses. How inefficient it is at evenly distributing income.

Conspiracy? It's no conspiracy. That's just how capitalism works. The people who don't or barely work, who just inherit and own, the capitalists, are parasites. They make their wealth on the backs of the working masses. It is an openly acknowledged fact that capitalism is causing a massive increase in income and wealth inequality. It's what capitalism does, it's what it's meant to do. Why do you think we live in a world where the wealthy, who sit at the top of their corporate hierarchies, earn fat bonuses while the people who work for them only earn a fraction of what they make, despite doing the absolute majority of the work? Why do you think that wealthy and influential have worked so hard for decades to convince people that communism is the devil? It's not because they care about you and yours. It's because they know it's a threat to their power and wealth, which they seek to maintain above all else. Even the welfare of the planet is less important than their position and power. Clearly, you just don't know all that much about how the capitalist mode of production functions.

4 hours ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

It's both. At some point all humans were spear-chuckers. Eventually something happened that made others better. I believe that possibly wars, disease, and competition culled the weaker ones and thus created better genetic stock of certain populations. Strife makes for tougher and better people. Certain areas endured greater hardship and once that was removed, it led to a mass expansion and conquest. So I don't believe it's some divine gift from god or the gods that certain populations are superior, I believe it's a matter circumstance and their environmental history culling the weak and development of a culture that values advancement. We can see populations which look virtually identical to others in close proximity with different cultures such as in Europe. Why is it that some surpass others while others are decadent or stagnant? The genetic stock/potential might be there, but the mindset from the culture is backwards.

I don't see how it can be both, considering that what small genetic differences exist are mainly superficial. I agree that societal and environmental factors are what shaped people and cultures throughout history. I just don't see how the fact that some of us happened to be more lucky about where we ended up living is anything to be proud of. Anyone, anywhere on the planet, given the right resources and conditions, can achieve great advancement. This is why the world's resources should be evenly distributed so that the necessary conditions for human advancement are created in as many places with as many populations as possible. Regardless, race makes no difference.

You might be interested in this, it's a good watch: https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/guns-germs-and-steel/

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Based on Jared Diamond’s Pulitzer Prize-winning book of the same name, Guns, Germs and Steel traces humanity’s journey over the last 13,000 years – from the dawn of farming at the end of the last Ice Age to the realities of life in the twenty-first century. Inspired by a question put to him on the island of Papua New Guinea more than thirty years ago, Diamond embarks on a world-wide quest to understand the roots of global inequality.

Why were Europeans the ones to conquer so much of our planet? Why didn’t the Chinese, or the Inca, become masters of the globe instead? Why did cities first evolve in the Middle East? Why did farming never emerge in Australia? And why are the tropics now the capital of global poverty?

As he peeled back the layers of history to uncover fundamental, environmental factors shaping the destiny of humanity, Diamond found both his theories and his own endurance tested.

 

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