A Reduction of Paper Announcement

[Alexio15]

Jesus I'm agreeing with Kastor for once...

Tbh if you all feel so strongly about it just press the declare war button and be done with it. 

[Guest Epi]

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[Starbuck]

I'm sure at some point Roz is going to show up and post some juicy logs claiming I'm racist towards white people.

Be wary of the antifa supersoldier Starbuck coming after your blue eyed babies.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Starbuck

[Rozalia]

Well well. A mocking attack on Acadia and subtle shot at Roz Wei too. Ain't that nice. Alright lets address this here publicly for once.

Lets shoot down the puffing out of the chest to start with. Fark's Stratagem has been spying SIR ever since Acadia dropped their protection so for all the puffing out, they wouldn't do a thing if Acadia or any other papered alliance protected SIR. They were asked to stop which they did, so now they're doing attacks and threatening everyone to let it happen, again, because Acadia isn't in the picture. 

Now, on the matter of SIR. When they were Iron Guard they were very present and aggressive, for which they got destroyed. Their nations were deleted, the alliance gone. They certainly paid for it. With SIR however what has gone down is a harassment campaign from this cast of characters here from Fark, Stratagem, and friends. 

They make a show of it and the story always is the same. They talk of RL matters and when told that such things are not valid reasons they cite things said on discord that relate to in game. I ask for evidence of this and they state that they do not need it. Apparently some racist words were said on Acadia's Discord server (and apparently it may have been Gabranth who isn't and hasn't been SIR as far as I know) and as we all know, these people mash that screenshot button if they see any such things and yet provide no evidence on this case? So today I'm talking again with them and they cite Fark's server... no screenshots again which is weird. If you have a killshot, you'd think it'd be posted. Instead apparently I'm supposed to take Kosmo's word as fact or something.

Finally a screenshot is posted: 

Which apparently proves guilt on this "raid". Even though even I knew about it as Kosmo saw fit to go talking about it everywhere saying we were protecting people doing such things. No evidence of it being them again was provided at the time. The above is apparently 3 of 6 and there is some stuff in the other ones... I ask for it, get told I'm nosy. Right.

The start point of such harassment being:

 

However as Starbuck mentions (I'm talking to Queen M and he has been told so he hasn't predicted anything folks). An issue here is for all their talk, RL matters is actually not something these people are so clean themselves on. 

They're noted anti-white racists, Starbuck in particular recently put on quite the show where he went around talking "Kill all white people", admitted he wouldn't say the same about black or Jewish folk, mocked anti-white racism being a thing, and all the usual matters that come with such behaviour. As I was someone who suffered such things at a young age he eventually relented and apologised, however this attitude we know is very present on that RL political end. White people, but white men in particular are the enemy. Queen M has tried to use her apparent White man as a shield, which is funny as by the very words of that end that is no shield at all. 

So you see, RL is not your friend. You don't see me, a sufferer from such racism and a white man (so enemy #1) hitting such people over such reasons. These people shouldn't be doing this Jihad over RL reasons either.

To further expand, where is the Crusade on Ibrahim, Abu, and however you spell Moreao? ISIS supporters. Seems they don't care to hit them for whatever reason. 

Now some might remark that then, I would never protect those Muslim folks then certainly... except I totally did. All of them were in RW at some point and thus protected. They no longer are for reasons up to them.

[TheShadow]

1 hour ago, Epimetheus said:

Are we forgetting KT here, i feel like their FA doesn't have a bad enough reputation. Because from my memory they too protected Iron Guard

WEW.
KT ain't that bad.
They also protected Royal Dragons.

[Queen M II]

5 minutes ago, Rozalia said:

Typical Roz word vomit.

I really wish you hadn't brought my husband into this...

[Rozalia]

Just now, Queen M said:

I really wish you hadn't brought my husband into this...

You were the one who did that actually. It was irrelevant as I have reiterated here in case you tried (and you would have) it again. 

[Starbuck]

26 minutes ago, Rozalia said:

 

Wait did you just admit to protecting ISIS supporters?

[Rozalia]

1 minute ago, Starbuck said:

Wait did you just admit to protecting ISIS supporters?

This is no secret. 

[Keegoz]

2 hours ago, Epimetheus said:

Are we forgetting KT here, i feel like their FA doesn't have a bad enough reputation. Because from my memory they too protected Iron Guard

Must have been a while ago because they haven't since I joined KT almost 4 months ago. Doubt Apollo would have had them either so we going almost half a year back. Meaning everyone involved in KT FA at that point is no longer involved.

But props at you trying to bring KT into every conversation here. Keep doing it.

[Starbuck]

Just now, Rozalia said:

This is no secret. 

So what are you even blabbering on about? You say we're "noted anti-white racists" but where's your proof? You just seem salty from us raiding SIR.

[Bezzers]

6 hours ago, kosmokenny said:

When they apply to the alliance listing their reason for joining as "14/88 sieg heil" and their membership is enthusiastically approved, theyre nazis

Can't really argue with that logic

[Rozalia]

Just now, Bezzers said:

Can't really argue with that logic

The screens they have on that are of Iron Guard.

1 minute ago, Starbuck said:

So what are you even blabbering on about? You say we're "noted anti-white racists" but where's your proof? You just seem salty from us raiding SIR.

Because an angle you guys have is "protecting Nazis". the implication being clear enough, that there is some level of sympathy there from Acadia/me. Nah, I protected Ibrahim and his lot too who are on the other end of the scale there. Even your own alliance, right from the start I said I wouldn't mind helping if I could help on something you'd do.

The lines between RL and in game is not something you want to break. 

[Micchan]

If I understand correctly you're discussing things that wouldn't have happened if you didn't use slack or discord, all your fault for turning your back on the forums

[Bezzers]

5 minutes ago, Rozalia said:

The screens they have on that are of Iron Guard.

Alliance doesn't matter in respect to that. If someone spouts nazi imagery on an alliance application, there is a serious issue there. 

[Rozalia]

Just now, Bezzers said:

Alliance doesn't matter in respect to that. If someone spouts nazi imagery on an alliance application, there is a serious issue there. 

Iron Guard was very open and brought it very much into here and on in-game matters. SIR has not. Key difference. 

[Bezzers]

1 minute ago, Rozalia said:

Iron Guard was very open and brought it very much into here and on in-game matters. SIR has not. Key difference. 

For me it's just consciously accepting people like that, but I suppose alike minds are drawn to another. I have no place in this argument, I was just commenting on what I perceive to be an absurdity in letting that member join. I don't have the facts, or knowledge of the history of this type of thing in the game to make any other point. 

[Rozalia]

Just now, Bezzers said:

For me it's just consciously accepting people like that, but I suppose alike minds are drawn to another. I have no place in this argument, I was just commenting on what I perceive to be an absurdity in letting that member join. I don't have the facts, or knowledge of the history of this type of thing in the game to make any other point. 

These characters be it them or Ibrahim and his friends have passed through many alliances where it was no secret. A lot of people generally are willing to let it be as long as it doesn't get taken into in game. Ibrahim for an example in his prime talked all numbers of crazy stuff in the social hub however when it came to in-game he stuck to posting propaganda of images passed through this site where things in the photos would have the TKR flag superimposed on them (and have it look good). 

Iron Guard made a show of it all and paid for it. If Ibrahim decided to make a show of himself and his friends I'm sure they'd pay for it too. In regards to SIR, however the people might be, there is a difference between in game and RL. In a purely RL political sense there is more worth in facing their arguments instead of trying to run them out anyway. Islamism, the other conspiracy nonsense, I've taken it on myself extensively when it has come up in the past. 

[rollo]

8 hours ago, Kriegskoenig said:

Kosmo, that you got an FA job really speaks more to the absolute apathy of literally ANYONE ELSE in Fark, than your skills.

Way to be a prick about getting what you want.

Oh, and gg, Acadia.  Those boys were never good enough for you anyway.  I appreciate your move.

Not apathy. The fact he's the nicer version of me.

 

Also, if I'm reading this thread correctly: world sides with nazis. got it. we'll keep that in mind.

 

Edited December 5, 2017 by rollo

[Guest Epi]

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[Guest Epi]

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[Yarr]

9 hours ago, Buorhann said:

(Is throwing protections and defensive clauses the best you guys can do?)

Shit talking is cheaper and dont require losing pixels.And easier.

1-Pleading to Acadia for a few months to annul protection because afraid of losing pixels.
2-Acadia drops protection because they are afraid of losing pixels.
3-Start shit talking on forums how you showed them because in wars you risk losing pixels.
4-Acadia afraid to lose pixels if they start talking.

This is .....

[Bluebear]

You insult Acadia and call them Nazi sympathizers yet you hit some irrelevant micro? Give us a real show kenny, you guys can take Acadia

[Auctor]

9 hours ago, durmij said:

I really don't want to get involved in this thread, but this needs clarification. Free speech is not a factor in this as the situation involves neither a large institution or a public space. Since this is all taking place on/in private spaces, forums/discord, we only have as much right to speech as the owners of those spaces allow.

Actually, at the risk of further pedantry, this can be a free speech issue. It's just not a constitutionally protected free speech issue under the first amendment. John Stuart Mill would make the case that the government is less of a threat to free speech than the social pressures of a given era.

 

That said, my interest in this thread is also quite low.

[Critters]

So much angst and ire in this thread. I wish there was a mechanism in this game in which we could "declare war" on the people we had a problem with instead of crying about it on the OWF. If only there was a way......