Caecus Posted July 13, 2017 Author Share Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Rozalia said: 1 & 3: And? What has happened to make my claim false exactly? 3 makes it clear that is all a matter of selling it. If he can point at something and say it constitutes Mexico paying for it then to the people who matter to him that is how it will be seen. You know this is true. 2: His directive went through regardless of talk of it being illegal or whatever nonsense. Only issue in it is it didn't apply to those currently being built. 4: Another one of these. Yes, I have told you several times that was is true or false doesn't matter. Only perception does. Refute me. You can't. You know it's true. As for promises... he has been doing them as people wish so... what is the problem? Supreme court picks were Conservative as he promised people. Travel ban was put in place even if it was blocked several times and didn't cover some states. Even if it never actually happens (though that is changing) his supporters will perceive it as him having tried and being stopped by cowards which is enough. The wall is currently having designs and plans looked at. Money coming from Congress but Trump at times would specify Mexico would pay later so plenty of time for him to find something to point at as having come from Mexico (NAFTA renegotiating with worse terms for Mexico alone can do that). 5: Am I supposed to be wrong here? If Obama got away with expanding such things (like Bush did before him) then what stops Trump? The Republican held congress? Antifa? Come now. 6: What did I say wrong there? Recent events have been talked about all the way back when the supreme court pick stuff was going on. All that time the media and opponents have focused largely on Russia while the Republican party has ran rampant. Certain elements within the Republican party have been more a resistance than the so called resistance. Been that bad. Why is so much always made of someone apparently been a Republican or having served them? The implication to me always comes off as if Republicans are credible in roles like that which is... an implication I'd think people would not want to give out. Anyway Trump Jr was advised by Assange himself apparently on releasing them himself as otherwise Anti-Trump opponents would be quoting bits and pieces here and there for maximum hurt. Releasing them himself looks good and leaves less room for that. Go and talk among Trump folk and what you'll hear is that he wasn't like the lying Hillary/Democrats, that he was honest by releasing them. So from a start such emails will cut no mustard with Trump supporters. Second there is nothing in them. He talked to a Russian, that is it pretty much. You honestly believe that Trump can make Mexico pay for the wall, but is "not detailed-orientated" enough to pass a healthcare bill that doesn't !@#$ his base? He's either an idiot or a genius, pick one and stick with it. 6 months ago, you were convinced that Trump would lead the Republicans. Now, it's the Republican bill that Trump has to sign off on. He didn't make the bill, he thinks it's "mean," but he has so little control over his own party that he signs off on it anyway. Again, changing narrative. Promise after promise, eh? I seem to recall Trump promising not to touch medicare or medicaid. I seem to recall Trump promising to declare a trade war on China. I seem to recall Trump promising to build a 30 foot border wall. I seem to recall Trump restoring America's standing in the world. I seem to recall Trump promising not to intervene in the Syrian war. I seem to recall Trump promising to drain the swamp. I seem to recall Trump promising to not kowtow to special interests and Wall Street. I seem to recall Trump promising that he could make the best deals and get anything he wanted done. But now Trump's an idiot who barely reads his own shit, instead of the deal-making god you all worshiped him to be. Want to make a bet that Trump can't get a single piece of major legislation passed in his entire presidency? He can't even get his own party to come to the table, he's not going to get anything done. Your belief that Trump can get anything done is contrary to reality, which is that he can't, and you recognize this. He doesn't care about his base. He doesn't care that the Republican bill will !@#$ everyone that voted for him. He's not "detailed-oriented" enough anymore to get things done. Because all you guys think about is partisanship. If it were a democrat, you would declare any conclusion contrary to your desired outcome to be a partisan attack. If it were a Republican, you can't claim that anymore. So, now that there is a bipartisan investigation into Trump and Russia, it's not some red scare anymore. You know who would know anything? Go talk to the intelligence community. Including your own country's. France, Germany, even China knows better. Go talk to Russian internet trolls. Maybe Putin might tell you if you suck his cock hard enough like Trump. Trump is a dumbass being manipulated into blowing the leader of a country with less GDP than the state of Florida for the chance to play golf every weekend at the American taxpayer expense. Quote It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Caecus said: You honestly believe that Trump can make Mexico pay for the wall, but is "not detailed-orientated" enough to pass a healthcare bill that doesn't !@#$ his base? He's either an idiot or a genius, pick one and stick with it. 6 months ago, you were convinced that Trump would lead the Republicans. Now, it's the Republican bill that Trump has to sign off on. He didn't make the bill, he thinks it's "mean," but he has so little control over his own party that he signs off on it anyway. Again, changing narrative. 1: Promise after promise, eh? I seem to recall Trump promising not to touch medicare or medicaid. 2: I seem to recall Trump promising to declare a trade war on China. 3: I seem to recall Trump promising to build a 30 foot border wall. 4: I seem to recall Trump restoring America's standing in the world. 5: I seem to recall Trump promising not to intervene in the Syrian war. 6: I seem to recall Trump promising to drain the swamp. 7: I seem to recall Trump promising to not kowtow to special interests and Wall Street. 8: I seem to recall Trump promising that he could make the best deals and get anything he wanted done. 9: But now Trump's an idiot who barely reads his own shit, instead of the deal-making god you all worshiped him to be. 10: Want to make a bet that Trump can't get a single piece of major legislation passed in his entire presidency? He can't even get his own party to come to the table, he's not going to get anything done. 11: Your belief that Trump can get anything done is contrary to reality, which is that he can't, and you recognize this. He doesn't care about his base. He doesn't care that the Republican bill will !@#$ everyone that voted for him. He's not "detailed-oriented" enough anymore to get things done. Because all you guys think about is partisanship. If it were a democrat, you would declare any conclusion contrary to your desired outcome to be a partisan attack. If it were a Republican, you can't claim that anymore. So, now that there is a bipartisan investigation into Trump and Russia, it's not some red scare anymore. You know who would know anything? Go talk to the intelligence community. Including your own country's. France, Germany, even China knows better. Go talk to Russian internet trolls. Maybe Putin might tell you if you suck his cock hard enough like Trump. Trump is a dumbass being manipulated into blowing the leader of a country with less GDP than the state of Florida for the chance to play golf every weekend at the American taxpayer expense. Ignoring what I told you. Why? What I or you believe is quite irrelevant. It is what he makes the masses, the ones that got him into office and those in the middle believe that matters. Trump knows how to promote as I said. Obama could create 1 million jobs and not have anyone care. Trump can create 1000 jobs and have people praising him as a job creator. He is the leader of the Republicans? They didn't overthrow him and have shown respect. However when it comes to relatively unimportant issues to Trump he'll allow the Republican party to do the heavy lifting, all quite expected. 1: That is why he said the bill was mean and giving off the vibe he only supports it on the ground that is a Republican effort. 2: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-beef-idUSKBN19E15G and some other incidents he will point to as only being possible with him, opening up China for real and all that. Many ways to fight a "war". 3: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/donald-trump-sign-mexico-border-executive-order , https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/apr/10/donald-trump-border-wall-proposals-architecture-criticism . I don't understand... did you think a wall like that is made overnight or something? 4: Trump: No one respects America anymore. Look at Syria, look at Russia, look at Iran. None of them respect America and takes us seriously. Note that all 3 now treat America very seriously and as you know, Russia and Syria have never been nicer towards America. In short America's enemies do in fact respect America more these days, would you disagree? Allies you could say less so, at least the citizens anyway (politicians will kneel like good boys) but who cares about them really? They are American lapdogs at the end of the day if they like it or not. 5: ISIS is near total defeat. Get ready for Trump claiming credit by stating he was strong, divisive, and did the correct moves unlike that baby Obama. 6: Your swamp is not his (more importantly his supporter's) swamp. 7 & 8: Got to be more specific. 9: You insult me. Everyone knows Trump isn't the sharpest tool in the shed outside his specialist know how. Even an idiot is better than a genius if that genius is a vile one like Clinton. 10: Pretty sure I already challenged you to impeach within a year. Did it to Venom also though he run so much hehehe. You still think impeachment is happening within the year? As for what you suggest on top (not sure why I'd want two bets)... what is the definition? He has signed off on the wall already so you autolose? 11: Incorrect. If he didn't care he wouldn't be giving those sort of speeches in Poland. He just doesn't care about people like you. Flawed thinking on your part, Comey being an example showing you up in fact. Intelligence community? Like the 17 was it American ones? That turned out to be FAKE NEWS? Also I'm sorry I don't trust the fricking CIA of all bloody things. You know, known liars and destroyers of governments. And yet what you call Russian internet trolls have whipped your sort up into a frenzy that makes you all look like mad idiots. I think you need to sit down and realise that you have clearly fallen for their efforts. Also... homophobia? Last time it was Rahl with that sort of talk, pack it in man. Nothing wrong with sucking another man's cock. Free country and homosexuals are people too. Bigot. Edited July 14, 2017 by Rozalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caecus Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rozalia said: Ignoring what I told you. Why? What I or you believe is quite irrelevant. It is what he makes the masses, the ones that got him into office and those in the middle believe that matters. Trump knows how to promote as I said. Obama could create 1 million jobs and not have anyone care. Trump can create 1000 jobs and have people praising him as a job creator. He is the leader of the Republicans? They didn't overthrow him and have shown respect. However when it comes to relatively unimportant issues to Trump he'll allow the Republican party to do the heavy lifting, all quite expected. 1: That is why he said the bill was mean and giving off the vibe he only supports it on the ground that is a Republican effort. 2: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-beef-idUSKBN19E15G and some other incidents he will point to as only being possible with him, opening up China for real and all that. Many ways to fight a "war". 3: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/donald-trump-sign-mexico-border-executive-order , https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/apr/10/donald-trump-border-wall-proposals-architecture-criticism . I don't understand... did you think a wall like that is made overnight or something? 4: Trump: No one respects America anymore. Look at Syria, look at Russia, look at Iran. None of them respect America and takes us seriously. Note that all 3 now treat America very seriously and as you know, Russia and Syria have never been nicer towards America. In short America's enemies do in fact respect America more these days, would you disagree? Allies you could say less so, at least the citizens anyway (politicians will kneel like good boys) but who cares about them really? They are American lapdogs at the end of the day if they like it or not. 5: ISIS is near total defeat. Get ready for Trump claiming credit by stating he was strong, divisive, and did the correct moves unlike that baby Obama. 6: Your swamp is not his (more importantly his supporter's) swamp. 7 & 8: Got to be more specific. 9: You insult me. Everyone knows Trump isn't the sharpest tool in the shed outside his specialist know how. Even an idiot is better than a genius if that genius is a vile one like Clinton. 10: Pretty sure I already challenged you to impeach within a year. Did it to Venom also though he run so much hehehe. You still think impeachment is happening within the year? As for what you suggest on top (not sure why I'd want two bets)... what is the definition? He has signed off on the wall already so you autolose? 11: Incorrect. If he didn't care he wouldn't be giving those sort of speeches in Poland. He just doesn't care about people like you. Flawed thinking on your part, Comey being an example showing you up in fact. Intelligence community? Like the 17 was it American ones? That turned out to be FAKE NEWS? Also I'm sorry I don't trust the fricking CIA of all bloody things. You know, known liars and destroyers of governments. And yet what you call Russian internet trolls have whipped your sort up into a frenzy that makes you all look like mad idiots. I think you need to sit down and realise that you have clearly fallen for their efforts. Also... homophobia? Last time it was Rahl with that sort of talk, pack it in man. Nothing wrong with sucking another man's cock. Free country and homosexuals are people too. Bigot. The masses? You mean the 36%? That's hardly masses. If I gave you a carton with some white liquid in it and told you it's 36% milk, would you put in on your cereal? I ignored what you said because it's stupid to answer it. Healthcare is unimportant?! HEALTH-FUYING-CARE IS UNIMPORTANT?! Healthcare is 1/5th of the entire !@#$ing economy! 1/5 of our economy is more than you entire worthless island combined! What's important on Trump's agenda? Golf? Kowtowing to Putin and Wall Street? 1. So if it passes under his support, his base is screwed? No, you're right, he's a !@#$ing genius. 2. That's the geopolitical equivalent of being passive-aggressive. You want a trade war with China? Go balls out and reject "Made in China." Cut their access of funds, ban apple products made in China, and tell China to eat a large, pulsating American steel industry. 3. I don't unerstand... did you think the wall would be built with seashells? His executive order only allows him to run around and enforce existing legislation. He wants money to build a wall, it's going to come from a budget, a budget in which he doesn't have. He can write all the damn memos he wants, he's not going to build a wall with those memos. 4. And Macron broke poor Trump's hand. Merkel rejected American leadership in future EU foreign policy. The Chinese and Russians are laughing at how stupid America has become. Whoopie, pol-pot dictators like you because you are destroying your own country. Good for you. 5. The war on ISIS and the Syrian war are two different things. Unless you are suggesting that Trump supporters don't actually know the difference between the two and will think that once ISIS is defeated, the Syrian war will end. In which case, yeah, you're probably right. 6. This man is the most powerful man in the world, commanding the largest, most technologically advanced military and most powerful economy in human !@#$ing history. He can't even drain a swamp? Sad. 7 & 8. You really don't remember this? How he bragged he wasn't bought by anyone during his campaign. How he, in contrast to the billionaire-funded Clinton, didn't have any money attached to him? How he would never put the interests of millionaires and billionaires over the common people? 9. Lol. So you knowingly supported an idiot to be in control of a weapons arsenal that could flatten this world 10 times over? Every single thing you hated about Clinton, Trump is doing already. The only difference is, he's an idiot. 10. Is it the end of one year yet? His son just confessed to trying to collaborate with the Russian government. Month 6. You really think he's going to last another 6? 11. You do realize who voted for him right? Middle-class baby-boomer suburbanites. People who depend on healthcare. Medicare, Medicaid. You think coal miners are the healthiest people on the planet? You think blue-collar factory workers don't have a need for health insurance? I'm a person under 35 who makes closer to $600,000 (excluding taxes) a year. I have a resting heart rate of 37, AMAZING triglycerides, and no family history of organ failures or cancer. I shit like clockwork. I SHIT LIKE !@#$ing CLOCKWORK. 3 DAMN TIMES A DAY. All I'm missing is some gene therapy. If Trump doesn't care about me, his bill certainly does. Okay. Sure, American intelligence agencies had their day. But you don't trust MI6? You don't trust the Directorate? You don't trust what your beloved May says? Maybe you might believe what the FSB tells you. You know, the liars and destroyers of governments. You declaring something is homophobic is the pot calling the kettle black. Besides, did I say one man giving another man a blowie is bad or somehow morally wrong? All I'm saying is that your man Trump seems to really want to get on the good side of Putin to a treasonous and adulterous extent. I agree, nothing wrong with sucking a man's cock. The only thing wrong here is that Trump is married, and swore an oath to defend the United States from all enemies, not sucking them off. The fact that you thought my statement was derogatory because it involved two men and not that it was adultery suggests that the homophobe is you, not me. Would you have come to the same conclusion if Putin was female? Would you THEN have thought it was because Trump was cheating on Melania and the United States? Bigot. I SHIT LIKE CLOCKWORK! TRUMP LOVES ME! Edited July 14, 2017 by Caecus Quote It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Caecus said: The masses? You mean the 36%? That's hardly masses. If I told you your carton of milk was only 36% milk, it's not milk. I ignored what you said because it's stupid to answer it. Healthcare is unimportant?! HEALTH-FUYING-CARE IS UNIMPORTANT?! Healthcare is 1/5th of the entire !@#$ing economy! 1/5 of our economy is more than you entire worthless island combined! What's important on Trump's agenda? Golf? Kowtowing to Putin and Wall Street? 1. So if it passes under his support, his base is screwed? No, you're right, he's a !@#$ing genius. 2. That's the geopolitical equivalent of being passive-aggressive. You want a trade war with China? Go balls out and reject "Made in China." Cut their access of funds, ban apple products made in China, and tell China to eat a large, pulsating American steel industry. 3. I don't unerstand... did you think the wall would be built with seashells? His executive order only allows him to run around and enforce existing legislation. He wants money to build a wall, it's going to come from a budget, a budget in which he doesn't have. He can write all the damn memos he wants, he's not going to build a wall with those memos. 4. And Macron broke poor Trump's hand. Merkel rejected American leadership in future EU foreign policy. The Chinese and Russians are laughing at how stupid America has become. Whoopie, pol-pot dictators like you because you are destroying your own country. Good for you. 5. The war on ISIS and the Syrian war are two different things. Unless you are suggesting that Trump supporters don't actually know the difference between the two and will think that once ISIS is defeated, the Syrian war will end. In which case, yeah, you're probably right. 6. This man is the most powerful man in the world, commanding the largest, most technologically advanced military and most powerful economy in human !@#$ing history. He can't even drain a swamp? Sad. 7 & 8. You really don't remember this? How he bragged he wasn't bought by anyone during his campaign. How he, in contrast to the billionaire-funded Clinton, didn't have any money attached to him? How he would never put the interests of millionaires and billionaires over the common people? 9. Lol. So you knowingly supported an idiot to be in control of a weapons arsenal that could flatten this world 10 times over? Every single thing you hated about Clinton, Trump is doing already. The only difference is, he's an idiot. 10. Is it the end of one year yet? His son just confessed to trying to collaborate with the Russian government. Month 6. You really think he's going to last another 6? 11. You do realize who voted for him right? Middle-class baby-boomer suburbanites. People who depend on healthcare. Medicare, Medicaid. You think coal miners are the healthiest people on the planet? You think blue-collar factory workers don't have a need for health insurance? I'm a person under 35 who makes closer to $600,000 (excluding taxes) a year. I have a resting heart rate of 37, AMAZING triglycerides, and no family history of organ failures or cancer. If Trump doesn't care about me, his bill certainly does. Okay. Sure, American intelligence agencies had their day. But you don't trust MI6? You don't trust the Directorate? You don't trust what your beloved May says? Maybe you might believe what the FSB tells you. You know, the liars and destroyers of governments. You declaring something is homophobic is the pot calling the kettle black. Besides, did I say one man giving another man a blowie is bad or somehow morally wrong? All I'm saying is that your man Trump seems to really want to get on the good side of Putin to a treasonous and adulterous extent. I agree, nothing wrong with sucking a man's cock. The only thing wrong here is that Trump is married, and swore an oath to defend the United States from all enemies, not sucking them off. The fact that you thought my statement was derogatory because it involved two men and not that it was adultery suggests that the homophobe is you, not me. Would you have come to the same conclusion if Putin was female? Would you THEN have thought it was because Trump was cheating on Melania and the United States? Bigot. Those who don't vote don't matter in such things. You know this. It is an unimportant issue to him yes. 1: For all your talk of calling others idiots you seem to have a hard time understanding simple concepts. The Republicans writing all this up mostly have been conceptualized in his supporter's minds as globalists and people you got to keep an eye on. Trump will pass the heat on to them and that will be it. 2: What do I matter when it comes to Trump and his "war" with China? His supporters for the most part had a Free Market Holy Ghost upbringing. They want the war fought on stuff like opening up the Chinese market, making it more fair for America over in China... they also want to make it less fair we can say for China (and others) at home. Both things don't mesh well together naturally but that is common enough in politics. Have your cake and eat it and all that. All that matters for Trump is if he can point to having done any of those two and in supporter's minds that will be enough. 3: Again. It doesn't matter. If it happens no money is ever approved to go towards it then his supporters will not direct anger at Trump, but instead at Ryan and other establishment guys. Trump comes out clean and safe. However considering the gift oh healthcare it seems quite obvious they will sign off on it at some point. 4: ??? Macron is currently trying to woo Trump. Merkel is well known to be deluded and living in her own world. Russia and China have never loved an American leader as much as they do now. 5: The ISIS element in the war is considered more important. Assad will win in Syria and Trump will claim credit for that too. He will say that he has allowed Assad to continue as it is the right thing while that baby Obama wanted Assad gone, leaving the country to scum like ISIS and Al-qaeda. 6: As I said. The "swamp" is a metaphysical thing. If Comrade Sanders was to ride in on a white horse and replace all of congress with fellow revolutionary brothers who are living saints, it'd still be a "swamp" to Republicans even if your sort might see it as not being. 7 & 8: He spent half what Clinton did who had overwhelmingly support from the media (Trump had a half in Fox News and some Alt-Right internet sites, wow. What a stable compared to you know, everyone else). His rep is in tact based on that alone. Perception is what matters and Trump has had it crafted nicely though he can thank Clinton and the rebellious elements at the time in the Republican party for that. 9: You'll have to point them out. America isn't in conflict with Russia last I checked. Assad is not gone either. 10: He confessed to no such thing. Why say such obvious lies? So this is on? January 20th is the date that clock started so a little over 5 months left at the moment... you on? If I'm wrong and Trump is impeached before then then I'll happily never post here in the social hub again. If Trump is not impeached by the year on January 20th 2018 then you never post in the social hub again. Deal? 11: Irrelevant talk. Caring in political terms means appealing to people on certain subjects they want appealed to. His supporters don't want to be appealed to on healthcare, they want to be appealed to on other things. Simple. Just going to ignore the big pile of crap the American agency story was huh? 3 were in on it and they don't exactly have the cleanest rep. As for those you're now mentioning... what am I suppose to take from that? May? Beloved? What? MI6 that goes along with the likes of the CIA all too easily and quickly. Why do they matter anyway? Does the Russian & Chinese agencies opinions matter too? What evidence is there that I am homophobic? I'm not the one trying to use sucking off another man offensively in an insulting manner. You are, quite clearly. I'll ask this to you again because I do tire of your types speaking to me and making these ridiculous claims that I'm homophobic or racist. How bloody dare you. Where is your evidence? I regularly confront such people and educate on matters like that. Usually to little effect as such people love to self harm as I like to say as they want as little allies as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caecus Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rozalia said: Those who don't vote don't matter in such things. You know this. It is an unimportant issue to him yes. 1: For all your talk of calling others idiots you seem to have a hard time understanding simple concepts. The Republicans writing all this up mostly have been conceptualized in his supporter's minds as globalists and people you got to keep an eye on. Trump will pass the heat on to them and that will be it. 2: What do I matter when it comes to Trump and his "war" with China? His supporters for the most part had a Free Market Holy Ghost upbringing. They want the war fought on stuff like opening up the Chinese market, making it more fair for America over in China... they also want to make it less fair we can say for China (and others) at home. Both things don't mesh well together naturally but that is common enough in politics. Have your cake and eat it and all that. All that matters for Trump is if he can point to having done any of those two and in supporter's minds that will be enough. 3: Again. It doesn't matter. If it happens no money is ever approved to go towards it then his supporters will not direct anger at Trump, but instead at Ryan and other establishment guys. Trump comes out clean and safe. However considering the gift oh healthcare it seems quite obvious they will sign off on it at some point. 4: ??? Macron is currently trying to woo Trump. Merkel is well known to be deluded and living in her own world. Russia and China have never loved an American leader as much as they do now. 5: The ISIS element in the war is considered more important. Assad will win in Syria and Trump will claim credit for that too. He will say that he has allowed Assad to continue as it is the right thing while that baby Obama wanted Assad gone, leaving the country to scum like ISIS and Al-qaeda. 6: As I said. The "swamp" is a metaphysical thing. If Comrade Sanders was to ride in on a white horse and replace all of congress with fellow revolutionary brothers who are living saints, it'd still be a "swamp" to Republicans even if your sort might see it as not being. 7 & 8: He spent half what Clinton did who had overwhelmingly support from the media (Trump had a half in Fox News and some Alt-Right internet sites, wow. What a stable compared to you know, everyone else). His rep is in tact based on that alone. Perception is what matters and Trump has had it crafted nicely though he can thank Clinton and the rebellious elements at the time in the Republican party for that. 9: You'll have to point them out. America isn't in conflict with Russia last I checked. Assad is not gone either. 10: He confessed to no such thing. Why say such obvious lies? So this is on? January 20th is the date that clock started so a little over 5 months left at the moment... you on? If I'm wrong and Trump is impeached before then then I'll happily never post here in the social hub again. If Trump is not impeached by the year on January 20th 2018 then you never post in the social hub again. Deal? 11: Irrelevant talk. Caring in political terms means appealing to people on certain subjects they want appealed to. His supporters don't want to be appealed to on healthcare, they want to be appealed to on other things. Simple. Just going to ignore the big pile of crap the American agency story was huh? 3 were in on it and they don't exactly have the cleanest rep. As for those you're now mentioning... what am I suppose to take from that? May? Beloved? What? MI6 that goes along with the likes of the CIA all too easily and quickly. Why do they matter anyway? Does the Russian & Chinese agencies opinions matter too? What evidence is there that I am homophobic? I'm not the one trying to use sucking off another man offensively in an insulting manner. You are, quite clearly. I'll ask this to you again because I do tire of your types speaking to me and making these ridiculous claims that I'm homophobic or racist. How bloody dare you. Where is your evidence? I regularly confront such people and educate on matters like that. Usually to little effect as such people love to self harm as I like to say as they want as little allies as possible. So, this whole Trump has fooled the masses is bullshit? So, Trump doesn't give a shit about his supporter's health? They can go !@#$ themselves? 1. So if he signs it, he's just going to pretend that's not his signature? That sounds like something Trump would do. 2. Just a campaign promise he isn't following through on. Whether or not you care about that campaign promise is an entirely different matter. 3. Again, Mr. I-make-deals guy can't get congress to make a deal and get legislation moving. That's why people voted him in, you know that right? He's the one who can break the gridlock. Oh well, another campaign promise broken. Sad. 4. Macron is trying to woo Trump? Are you kidding? Merkel's not the one who is detached from reality, you are. 5. So, Trump supporters really don't know the difference between the ISIS and Syrian wars? If you are agreeing with my point, just say so, no need for the winded response. 6. I'm sure Trump's campaign promises are also "metaphysical." They exist in some ethereal past, but don't manifest in the current reality. 7 & 8. Yeah, I used to agree with you on this. But now I think Russia might have funded his campaign through illegal contributions, which is why Trump still hasn't released his tax returns. 9. Ha. I'm talking about corruption, lies, filling cabinets with wall street execs, backroom dealing with foreign enemies, being under federal investigation. I could literally pull anything Trump said in a previous speech on Clinton and it would sound like hypocrisy now. 10. You haven't seen Trump Jr.'s emails? The one where he received an email from a self-declared Russian agent about meeting to give damaging (presumably hacked) information on Clinton and he said, and I quote, "I love it?" You must live under a rock, no wonder you don't know anything about what's going on. Oh, or live in a different country. I don't know why you think you know anything about American politics. And yeah, we are on. If you haven't forgotten, we have already been on for like 3 months now. 11. You state that people don't care about healthcare very confidently. Perhaps too confidently for someone who neither knows nor cares to know about American politics and what the "masses" want. I imagine our dear president will be saying what you said 3 months from now when he effectively !@#$ his own constituency with a flip of a pen. I STILL SHIT LIKE CLOCKWORK, SO I DON'T GIVE A !@#$! You can muddy all the waters around American agencies all you want, but if you cast doubt on your own intelligence agencies, who's left? You seriously think MI6 is lying to the public? That the Coalition is in on a huge conspiracy to screw Trump? What about the Institute? The Israelis like Trump... I think. I already told you, so I'll break it down for you to follow along: 1. In my statement, you assumed (rightly) that Trump sucking off Putin was wrong. 2. I mentioned nothing about how fellatio performed by a man on another man is somehow amoral or wrong. 3. Which means you jumped to the conclusion that because Trump and Putin were both males, you assumed the reason why the statement was wrong was because I was homophobic. 4. When in actuality, the reason why I thought Trump sucking off Putin was wrong was because Trump was married and sworn an oath to defend the United States from enemies. 5. Therefore, to jump to the conclusion that I am a homosexual bigot instead of a person who believes in the sanctity of marriage means you were thinking that homosexuality is somehow wrong. 6. Therefore, you are a bigot. That's why I was wondering if Putin was a woman, would you have jumped to the conclusion that I thought heterosexuality was wrong. Get it now? You homophobic bigot. Edited July 14, 2017 by Caecus Quote It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Caecus said: So, this whole Trump has fooled the masses is bullshit? So, Trump doesn't give a shit about his supporter's health? They can go !@#$ themselves? 1. So if he signs it, he's just going to pretend that's not his signature? That sounds like something Trump would do. 2. Just a campaign promise he isn't following through on. Whether or not you care about that campaign promise is an entirely different matter. 3. Again, Mr. I-make-deals guy can't get congress to make a deal and get legislation moving. That's why people voted him in, you know that right? He's the one who can break the gridlock. Oh well, another campaign promise broken. Sad. 4. Macron is trying to woo Trump? Are you kidding? Merkel's not the one who is detached from reality, you are. 5. So, Trump supporters really don't know the difference between the ISIS and Syrian wars? If you are agreeing with my point, just say so, no need for the winded response. 6. I'm sure Trump's campaign promises are also "metaphysical." They exist in some ethereal past, but don't manifest in the current reality. 7 & 8. Yeah, I used to agree with you on this. But now I think Russia might have funded his campaign through illegal contributions, which is why Trump still hasn't released his tax returns. 9. Ha. I'm talking about corruption, lies, filling cabinets with wall street execs, backroom dealing with foreign enemies, being under federal investigation. I could literally pull anything Trump said in a previous speech on Clinton and it would sound like hypocrisy now. 10. You haven't seen Trump Jr.'s emails? The one where he received an email from a self-declared Russian agent about meeting to give damaging (presumably hacked) information on Clinton and he said, and I quote, "I love it?" You must live under a rock, no wonder you don't know anything about what's going on. Oh, or live in a different country. I don't know why you think you know anything about American politics. And yeah, we are on. If you haven't forgotten, we have already been on for like 3 months now. 11. You state that people don't care about healthcare very confidently. Perhaps too confidently for someone who neither knows nor cares to know about American politics and what the "masses" want. I imagine our dear president will be saying what you said 3 months from now when he effectively !@#$ his own constituency with a flip of a pen. I STILL SHIT LIKE CLOCKWORK, SO I DON'T GIVE A !@#$! You can muddy all the waters around American agencies all you want, but if you cast doubt on your own intelligence agencies, who's left? You seriously think MI6 is lying to the public? That the Coalition is in on a huge conspiracy to screw Trump? What about the Institute? The Israelis like Trump... I think. I already told you, so I'll break it down for you to follow along: 1. In my statement, you assumed (rightly) that Trump sucking off Putin was wrong. 2. I mentioned nothing about how fellatio performed by a man on another man is somehow amoral or wrong. 3. Which means you jumped to the conclusion that because Trump and Putin were both males, you assumed the reason why the statement was wrong was because I was homophobic. 4. When in actuality, the reason why I thought Trump sucking off Putin was wrong was because Trump was married and sworn an oath to defend the United States from enemies. 5. Therefore, to jump to the conclusion that I am a homosexual bigot instead of a person who believes in the sanctity of marriage means you were thinking that homosexuality is somehow wrong. 6. Therefore, you are a bigot. That's why I was wondering if Putin was a woman, would you have jumped to the conclusion that I thought heterosexuality was wrong. Get it now? You homophobic bigot. You fail to understand. When explained you lash out with some nonsense. Counteracting your nonsense just leads you to further nonsense. For someone who talks about how I like to put things you do it so much worse. 1: There is no denying he signed it. However it is very possible to pass heat on to another. 2: What you think on the matter is irrelevant. If his supporters see it as fulfilled then it is fulfilled. Simple as that. 3: Just shooting your mouth. 4: https://www.thenational.ae/world/the-americas/donald-trump-in-paris-emmanuel-macron-woos-the-us-president-over-dinner-1.581704, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-13/macron-woos-trump-with-parisian-splendor-in-lesson-for-europe, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/13/emmanuel-macron-donald-trump-france-usa-alliance-uk-brexit Do you keep up with developments at all? Do you bother even taking a min to google anything I say or do you just automatically assume it false? 5: I said no such thing. To Trump supporters ISIS and the so called rebels are just terrorist scum. Killing terrorist scum is killing terrorist scum. Simple. 6: Are you saying the swamp is a physical feature that exists in the world now? 7 & 8: If enough investigating goes on they're very likely to find Trump made a good deal of money with Russian business men, no doubt in not very nice ways. Embarrassing a little bit (though his rep as a businessman actually funnily enough makes corruption not that big a deal for him in terms of rep damage) but nothing that will impeach. However that is personal wealth, them finding them having funded his campaign is very unlikely. Russia is not going to be in the business of moving that amount of cash when it can be easily found out. Especially for someone who everyone is saying has at best a 1 in 10 chance. 9: Hehehe. Who did you think those "top men" were going to be? Trump will take anyone qualified who pledges allegiance to him. The Emperor. Moderate, religious right, Libertarian, Alex Jones people, Alt-Right, it doesn't really matter. Trump went into this with so few people to run the government behind him he'll take anybody, that and they give him the respect he feels he deserves. 10: Oh I saw it and it means nothing. If there was evidence of him receiving info and then using it then that would be something, but as far as it is known nothing came from it. Even if it then did you'd have to prove that Trump himself knew of it and took part. It would then fall to Congress to push the matter and even if they do Trump can just pardon his son as having done a beginners error, a good lad his son but not too smart and all that. Why Ivanka is his favourite child, beyond you know, the good looks. So you in or not? January 20th is a good while away no? Surely Trump will be impeached any day now... I mean Don Jr... smoking gun... come on now. 11: Oh healthcare is certainly important, in fact I'm often telling your sort to pack this conspiracy nonsense away and focus everything on healthcare. However when it comes voting for Trump and such? Healthcare is not something he is being voted for. I don't trust them no. They have agendas and have been responsible for ruining countless lives. They supported lady Clinton and she lost, lost to a man who has talked of being friendly with Russia and badmouthed NATO. How the boys supposed to be getting those bigger paychecks if there are less enemies in the world? Oh well, don't need to wait long. Soon the CIA/FBI and then by extension all those other agencies will fall under Trump which is why Democrat bigging up of these agencies is extra funny. If Putin was a woman then you would have put forward that a powerful woman has a dick. So Penis = Power. Vagina = Weakness. Your comment would still be offensive, just in a different way. You got a problem with women with dicks now too? How disgusting you are. Edited July 14, 2017 by Rozalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caecus Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, Rozalia said: You fail to understand. When explained you lash out with some nonsense. Counteracting your nonsense just leads you to further nonsense. For someone who talks about how I like to put things you do it so much worse. 1: There is no denying he signed it. However it is very possible to pass heat on to another. 2: What you think on the matter is irrelevant. If his supporters see it as fulfilled then it is fulfilled. Simple as that. 3: Just shooting your mouth. 4: https://www.thenational.ae/world/the-americas/donald-trump-in-paris-emmanuel-macron-woos-the-us-president-over-dinner-1.581704, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-13/macron-woos-trump-with-parisian-splendor-in-lesson-for-europe, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/13/emmanuel-macron-donald-trump-france-usa-alliance-uk-brexit Do you keep up with developments at all? Do you bother even taking a min to google anything I say or do you just automatically assume it false? 5: I said no such thing. To Trump supporters ISIS and the so called rebels are just terrorist scum. Killing terrorist scum is killing terrorist scum. Simple. 6: Are you saying the swamp is a physical feature that exists in the world now? 7 & 8: If enough investigating goes on they're very likely to find Trump made a good deal of money with Russian business men, no doubt in not very nice ways. Embarrassing a little bit (though his rep as a businessman actually funnily enough makes corruption not that big a deal for him in terms of rep damage) but nothing that will impeach. However that is personal wealth, them finding them having funded his campaign is very unlikely. Russia is not going to be in the business of moving that amount of cash when it can be easily found out. Especially for someone who everyone is saying has at best a 1 in 10 chance. 9: Hehehe. Who did you think those "top men" were going to be? Trump will take anyone qualified who pledges allegiance to him. The Emperor. Moderate, religious right, Libertarian, Alex Jones people, Alt-Right, it doesn't really matter. Trump went into this with so few people to run the government behind him he'll take anybody, that and they give him the respect he feels he deserves. 10: Oh I saw it and it means nothing. If there was evidence of him receiving info and then using it then that would be something, but as far as it is known nothing came from it. Even if it then did you'd have to prove that Trump himself knew of it and took part. It would then fall to Congress to push the matter and even if they do Trump can just pardon his son as having done a beginners error, a good lad his son but not too smart and all that. Why Ivanka is his favourite child, beyond you know, the good looks. So you in or not? January 20th is a good while away no? Surely Trump will be impeached any day now... I mean Don Jr... smoking gun... come on now. 11: Oh healthcare is certainly important, in fact I'm often telling your sort to pack this conspiracy nonsense away and focus everything on healthcare. However when it comes voting for Trump and such? Healthcare is not something he is being voted for. I don't trust them no. They have agendas and have been responsible for ruining countless lives. They supported lady Clinton and she lost, lost to a man who has talked of being friendly with Russia and badmouthed NATO. How the boys supposed to be getting those bigger paychecks if there are less enemies in the world? Oh well, don't need to wait long. Soon the CIA/FBI and then by extension all those other agencies will fall under Trump which is why Democrat bigging up of these agencies is extra funny. If Putin was a woman then you would have put forward that a powerful woman has a dick. So Penis = Power. Vagina = Weakness. Your comment would still be offensive, just in a different way. You got a problem with women with dicks now too? How disgusting you are. In conclusion, Trump has kept a fraction of his promises, he's not the deal-making god everyone says he is, and is a stupid shit who doesn't read his own bills that's going to !@#$ over the stupider shits who voted for him. Once upon a time, Trump was going to make America great again. Now he just, kinda, you know... is a lesser of two turds. He may take away healthcare of his supporters, not pass a budget for anything he wants, puts in a half-assed ban that neither protects America from terrorists nor flatters our Middle Eastern allies, tweets stupid shit while having a giant circle jerk that ends with Putin, and still doesn't know what he's doing, but AT LEAST HE'S NOT CLINTON! You are a heretic! A heretic who has abandoned the one true Trump. You disgrace yourself and your religion. Bigot. Quote It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Caecus said: In conclusion, Trump has kept a fraction of his promises, he's not the deal-making god everyone says he is, and is a stupid shit who doesn't read his own bills that's going to !@#$ over the stupider shits who voted for him. Once upon a time, Trump was going to make America great again. Now he just, kinda, you know... is a lesser of two turds. He may take away healthcare of his supporters, not pass a budget for anything he wants, puts in a half-assed ban that neither protects America from terrorists nor flatters our Middle Eastern allies, tweets stupid shit while having a giant circle jerk that ends with Putin, and still doesn't know what he's doing, but AT LEAST HE'S NOT CLINTON! You are a heretic! A heretic who has abandoned the one true Trump. You disgrace yourself and your religion. Bigot. Utterly ruined the wreck tries to shoot off one last volley. When you stop getting high off the Infowars type stuff you're believing in now get back to me, maybe then you might be half decent. Oh and I still see no response to what I put forward to you. What happened to Trump will be impeached any day now? Come on, you were so sure so many months ago... what has changed? I mean with the "smoking gun" of Don Jr certainly that only makes it easier no? January 20th 2018. You win and I get thrown out. I win and you do. You in? I warn you though. The Roz is known to be most sagacious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caecus Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Rozalia said: Utterly ruined the wreck tries to shoot off one last volley. When you stop getting high off the Infowars type stuff you're believing in now get back to me, maybe then you might be half decent. Oh and I still see no response to what I put forward to you. What happened to Trump will be impeached any day now? Come on, you were so sure so many months ago... what has changed? I mean with the "smoking gun" of Don Jr certainly that only makes it easier no? January 20th 2018. You win and I get thrown out. I win and you do. You in? I warn you though. The Roz is known to be most sagacious. Lol, that's rich coming from you. When you start living in the US and know what's actually going on over on this side of the pond, maybe then you can talk to me about reality. As for your response: 10 hours ago, Caecus said: 10. You haven't seen Trump Jr.'s emails? The one where he received an email from a self-declared Russian agent about meeting to give damaging (presumably hacked) information on Clinton and he said, and I quote, "I love it?" You must live under a rock, no wonder you don't know anything about what's going on. Oh, or live in a different country. I don't know why you think you know anything about American politics. And yeah, we are on. If you haven't forgotten, we have already been on for like 3 months now. You don't seem to read, which is perhaps why you didn't understand why you were being a homophobe. You homophobic bigot. Quote It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Caecus said: Lol, that's rich coming from you. When you start living in the US and know what's actually going on over on this side of the pond, maybe then you can talk to me about reality. As for your response: You don't seem to read, which is perhaps why you didn't understand why you were being a homophobe. You homophobic bigot. Ah, missed it. Good good, soon another will bite za dusto. The Roz is unbreakable. Please post in the thread linked here to make it more official, wouldn't want to later have to go dig up this thread. As for reality... we will soon see who knows best won't we? Like LordRahl2 you will learn that compared to the sagacity of the Roz you are but a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 23 hours ago, Doc Martini said: LOL you sound like a spokesman for the Labour Party. You are pretty much advertising. People aren't allowed to advertise their political beliefs? Isn't that part of what this sub-board is all about and what people have been doing in it since its creation? I have no opinion on American healthcare one way or the other, but I do think it's really funny that the oh so great and magnificent United States is seemingly incapable of providing adequate healthcare for its citizens. It tells you something about the priorities of American authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 On 7/14/2017 at 6:06 PM, Big Brother said: People aren't allowed to advertise their political beliefs? Isn't that part of what this sub-board is all about and what people have been doing in it since its creation? Did I say anywhere in my post that we are not allowed to "advertise?" The dude posted like a Labour Party advocate and that is all I said. Take your Ritalin. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Doc Martini said: Did I say anywhere in my post that we are not allowed to "advertise?" The dude posted like a Labour Party advocate and that is all I said. Take your Ritalin. I don't know man, looked a lot like you were painting the act of advertising political beliefs as something distinctly negative to me. Is there something wrong with posting like a Labour Party advocate? Telling me to take medication is hardly called for, you need to relax more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 On 7/13/2017 at 4:50 PM, Caecus said: And has any of these laws affected you personally? Have these acts been successful at their goal despite being lobbied by the single-most ferocious gun rights organization (and arguably the most powerful lobbying force) in modern American history? Also, some of the laws you have listed do not do what you claim they do. For example, the Gun-Free Schools Act of 1990 is exactly what it says it does, there is no amendment that includes restriction of gun ownership. Also, you are missing from this list the 2013 AWB, which did not pass, but was perhaps the only piece of legislation that you could potentially point to in order to justify your current position. Even at the height of the Obama administration in 2013 (post-Binladen's death and the Sandy Hook), the NRA proved to be such a powerful organization that the bill failed to pass. So, in conclusion, the death of elementary school children and a popular liberal president couldn't get an AWB passed, what in god's name made you think that Clinton (of whom even some liberals find unpalatable) could pass any gun-control legislation? Yes. The NFA, combined with states I don't even live in passing AWBs, makes living in North Carolina hard. Many weapons are coming without stocks or with wide arm braces. According to the NFA, that is a pistol, effectively avoiding other states' AWBs. In NC, however, obtaining a handgun is harder than a rifle. You either need to have a carry permit or obtain a permit (which often involves an interview with the county sheriff, but depends on the county). While we're on the subject, you never removed your AR's stock and added a forward grip, right? Because that's a felony according to the NFA. That would be manufacturing an Any Other Weapon. I don't see how any law enacted would be more or less effective because of a lobbying group. The problem with gun-free zones (schools in this case) is that the 2nd Amendment, a civil liberty, is for all intents and purposes nullified within those zones. Say I'm a teacher in a poor part of town with an underfunded police force. I have to get home safely through gangland. There is no way I would be able to carry a firearm to defend myself. Yeah, I did miss that one. I probably should add that one for next time. And now that I'm thinking about it (kind of unrelated, tbh), I should add the time M855 was almost reclassified as armor piercing ammo and banned. Gratias tibi ago. Her husband passed a gun control bill with only 5 kids in an elementary school, 23 in a Luby's, and 8 in an office despite the NRA opposing the bill while his approval rating was around 39%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caecus Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, WISD0MTREE said: Yes. The NFA, combined with states I don't even live in passing AWBs, makes living in North Carolina hard. Many weapons are coming without stocks or with wide arm braces. According to the NFA, that is a pistol, effectively avoiding other states' AWBs. In NC, however, obtaining a handgun is harder than a rifle. You either need to have a carry permit or obtain a permit (which often involves an interview with the county sheriff, but depends on the county). While we're on the subject, you never removed your AR's stock and added a forward grip, right? Because that's a felony according to the NFA. That would be manufacturing an Any Other Weapon. I don't see how any law enacted would be more or less effective because of a lobbying group. The problem with gun-free zones (schools in this case) is that the 2nd Amendment, a civil liberty, is for all intents and purposes nullified within those zones. Say I'm a teacher in a poor part of town with an underfunded police force. I have to get home safely through gangland. There is no way I would be able to carry a firearm to defend myself. Yeah, I did miss that one. I probably should add that one for next time. And now that I'm thinking about it (kind of unrelated, tbh), I should add the time M855 was almost reclassified as armor piercing ammo and banned. Gratias tibi ago. Her husband passed a gun control bill with only 5 kids in an elementary school, 23 in a Luby's, and 8 in an office despite the NRA opposing the bill while his approval rating was around 39%. Yeah, but obtaining a handgun in NC being harder than a rifle has less to do with federal regulation and more to do with your own state's laws. Same with what is allowed to be sold in your state. In the blessed Mormon state of Utah, I only need to be 21, and even then, in private arms sales some people don't check ID. It's also ironic, because we've recently passed a law allowing for a "kiddie" conceal-carry permit for people between the age of 18 and 21 (despite unable to purchase the gun or ammo for it until you are 21). I assume the same for Alaska and the lone-star state too. Hillary being elected or not would not change the outcome of your state laws. If anything, Hillary being elected would boost arms sales. Perhaps the wording of my question was wrong. What I mean is, the gun lobby is powerful in persuading even some moderate democrats to vote against gun control legislation. If Obama had his way, there wouldn't be "high" capacity magazines, rifles, or handguns. Maybe muzzle loaders. And yet, at the height of the Obama prestige and sympathy for victims of gun violence in 2013, they still failed to pass a basic AWB. But it doesn't restrict gun ownership, only the ability to carry to certain places. Sure, you could make the argument that if you restrict enough places where you can carry your firearm, it makes it more or less useless to own one, but walking into an IRS building with a firearm (regardless of your state laws) lands you 10 years in a federal penitentiary, and that's been kept on the books under a Republican hedgemoney, presumably because there are a lot of people with guns who hate the IRS to a life-destroying extent. Using Latin to thank me doesn't make me like you any better! You cursed, educated, suave gun-loving nutjob. True, but the democrats actually held a majority in the Senate, and his approval rating was steady despite his scandals, primarily because the economy was good and nobody gave too many shits when he got a blowie from a Jewish girl. Take that in contrast with our current president, who presumably still hangs by the thread of a decent economy (which he inherited from the most accursed liberal Kenyan-born Muslim). My point is, the political climate back in 2016 was not conducive for any real gun legislation even if Hillary was elected. Even if it were so, I live in a state so red people hate the sky for being blue, so unless there is sweeping federal legislation on the level of Australian "buy back" fukery, I can sleep safely at night knowing my modest AR (with stock and foregrip, thank you very much) is safe with me. On the other hand, there is an entirely real risk (a risk which has become a reality) that Clinton's political opponent will screw with America's standing in the world. IMHO, domestic affairs are trivial compared to the weight of global peace and order under the American hegemonic umbrella in the nuclear age. The Republicans were right when they criticized Obama for withdrawing American support from Iraq (which was popular, but popular isn't always right) and not doing anything about the Syrian Civil War. It doesn't help that the intervention in Libya resulted in the country devolving into bandit warlords playing a game of thrones (though arguably, imploding Libya is much better than exploding Iraq). Obama's foreign policy had its hefty failures, but Clinton said she was going to rectify those wrongs. She talked of setting a no-fly zone over Syria, confronting Russia in Ukraine, checking Chinese expansion in the South China Sea, and putting international pressure on North Korea. Trump has burned $100M on putting 3 holes in a Syrian airfield which A. did not incapacitate Syrian air power and B. had no strategic significance outside of patting himself on the back for doing something about gassed children. He has hesitated (to say the least) on Article 5 commitments, and cozies up to Russia despite Russia obviously opposing American geopolitical interests. Trump has also failed to act on active Chinese disputes in the South China Sea, even suffering the insult of having Chinese spy planes fly a little too close to territorial waters. And let's not talk about the policy failure on the greatest of all Koreas. If he doesn't do something smart, he at best screws American foreign policy in the Far East for generations, at worst melts a lot of snow in Alaska. Edited July 20, 2017 by Caecus Quote It's a useful mental exercise. Through the years, many thinkers have been fascinated by it. But I don't enjoy playing. It was a game that was born during a brutal age when life counted for little. Everyone believed that some people were worth more than others. Kings. Pawns. I don't think that anyone is worth more than anyone else. Chess is just a game. Real people are not pieces. You can't assign more value to some of them and not others. Not to me. Not to anyone. People are not a thing that you can sacrifice. The lesson is, if anyone who looks on to the world as if it was a game of chess, deserves to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, Caecus said: My point is, the political climate back in 2016 was not conducive for any real gun legislation even if Hillary was elected. Even if it were so, I live in a state so red people hate the sky for being blue, so unless there is sweeping federal legislation on the level of Australian "buy back" fukery, I can sleep safely at night knowing my modest AR (with stock and foregrip, thank you very much) is safe with me. On the other hand, there is an entirely real risk (a risk which has become a reality) that Clinton's political opponent will screw with America's standing in the world. IMHO, domestic affairs are trivial compared to the weight of global peace and order under the American hegemonic umbrella in the nuclear age. The Republicans were right when they criticized Obama for withdrawing American support from Iraq (No,they weren't. The Iraqi government (which we'd established) declined to allow American troops in their country. (which was popular, but popular isn't always right) and not doing anything about the Syrian Civil War (Like all the bombings, arming of properly vetted resistance groups and continuous air bombing?). It doesn't help that the intervention in Libya (Libyans revolted with a bit of air support from other countries. They're allowed to change leaders and if it requires force to do so they're allowed to do so). resulted in the country devolving into bandit warlords playing a game of thrones (though arguably, imploding Libya is much better than exploding Iraq). Obama's foreign policy had its hefty failures, but Clinton said she was going to rectify those wrongs. She talked of setting a no-fly zone over Syria, confronting Russia in Ukraine, checking Chinese expansion in the South China Sea, and putting international pressure on North Korea. Trump has burned $100M on putting 3 holes in a Syrian airfield which A. did not incapacitate Syrian air power and B. had no strategic significance outside of patting himself on the back for doing something about gassed children. He has hesitated (to say the least) on Article 5 commitments, and cozies up to Russia despite Russia obviously opposing American geopolitical interests. Trump has also failed to act on active Chinese disputes in the South China Sea, even suffering the insult of having Chinese spy planes fly a little too close to territorial waters. And let's not talk about the policy failure on the greatest of all Koreas. If he doesn't do something smart, he at best screws American foreign policy in the Far East for generations, at worst melts a lot of snow in Alaska. Especially with China and Russian military preparations and the shifting of massive influxes of troops and tons of heavier weapons, aircraft and so on. Unless Trump would like to lose the Korean War (again) when the last time we only had to work against Chinese assitance to them, not Russian too. If Trump wants to avoid World War 3 he's pretty much no longer going to be able to do so militarily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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