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Some would say he is already supreme but the vote coming up will definitely confirm it without doubt. What will this mean ultimately you guys think? 

 

Currently he is talking up a "holy war" which some would say is for political reasons but... come now, he is an Islamist. Does anyone really doubt him when he talks about Muslims being his soldiers, that Turks should have 5 children each to take over Europe, and that he is going to do his part to push the Christian vs Muslim narrative? He also has the refugees to make use of as capital which the EU laughably paid him for the pleasure (is there a group more braindead and weak than the EU?).

 

My personal belief is while a shame he should be able to do as he likes in Turkey in these matters. If he wants to make himself Sultan, Caliph, or whatever then so be it. The Turkish people should stop him and if they can't or don't want to then so be it. Atatürk upheaved an old order himself so his in turn being replaced is not unthinkable and people really need to stop thinking democracy or whatever are the end of the line as like the order they replaced they can also go up in flames... anyway... when it comes to him trying to snatch up parts of Syria (so taking land) and him trying to incite "demographic terrorism", perhaps we could say, then that is where he needs stopping.

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Some would say he is already supreme but the vote coming up will definitely confirm it without doubt. What will this mean ultimately you guys think? 

 

Currently he is talking up a "holy war" which some would say is for political reasons but... come now, he is an Islamist. Does anyone really doubt him when he talks about Muslims being his soldiers, that Turks should have 5 children each to take over Europe, and that he is going to do his part to push the Christian vs Muslim narrative? He also has the refugees to make use of as capital which the EU laughably paid him for the pleasure (is there a group more braindead and weak than the EU?).

The EU's fine. It's going to be great now that that they don't have to keep doing special requests every time a decision is made for Britain.

My personal belief is while a shame he should be able to do as he likes in Turkey in these matters. If he wants to make himself Sultan, Caliph, or whatever then so be it. The Turkish people should stop him and if they can't or don't want to then so be it. Atatürk upheaved an old order himself so his in turn being replaced is not unthinkable and people really need to stop thinking democracy or whatever are the end of the line as like the order they replaced they can also go up in flames... anyway... when it comes to him trying to snatch up parts of Syria (so taking land) and him trying to incite "demographic terrorism", perhaps we could say, then that is where he needs stopping.

Ironic you'd say this as Erdogan has already anticipated this and has been purging tens of thousands of people he considers risky since the failed coup.

 

Erdogan needs to be stopped

We can't really overthrow an ally easily

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The EU's fine. It's going to be great now that that they don't have to keep doing special requests every time a decision is made for Britain.

Ironic you'd say this as Erdogan has already anticipated this and has been purging tens of thousands of people he considers risky since the failed coup.

 

What does that have to do with anything. They paid ErdoÄŸan to have something to threaten them with. That would be like you paying me to keep you hostage. Utter braindead stupidity. 

 

Many believe the failed coup was a inside job on ErdoÄŸan's part to speed along his purging. His level of control is why him losing a vote at this point is so hard to consider as possible.

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What does that have to do with anything. They paid ErdoÄŸan to have something to threaten them with. That would be like you paying me to keep you hostage. Utter braindead stupidity. ? "They" who exactly? Erdogan is doing all of this on his own to sew himself into a dictatorial position.

 

Many believe the failed coup was a inside job on ErdoÄŸan's part to speed along his purging. His level of control is why him losing a vote at this point is so hard to consider as possible.what 

It doesn't really matter who failed to coup or even tried or who faked the coup at this point. He's finished his purges AFAIK already.

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Actually it does,if most people start to think that it was an inside job,his referendum and presidency are out the window.

"If a person is satisfied with everything,then he is a complete idiot.A normal person cannot be satisfied with everything."~Vladimir Putin

 

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."They" who exactly? Erdogan is doing all of this on his own to sew himself into a dictatorial position.

 

It doesn't really matter who failed to coup or even tried or who faked the coup at this point. He's finished his purges AFAIK already.

Do you like... follow any events at all? You constantly don't know basic matters. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/18/eu-strikes-deal-with-turkey-to-send-back-refugees-from-greece

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-eu-pays-3bn-to-turkey-in-exchange-for-help-on-dealing-with-european-migration-a6753861.html

 

They paid ErdoÄŸan for the pleasure of now having something to threaten them with. Already one of his guys has already threatened by asking how the EU would like for Turkey to open the "flood gates". Lets just put this in perspective here. ErdoÄŸan, a man who with the Syrian war is already making gains due to his buying of cheap ISIS oil, the killing of Kurds (be it him or ISIS killing them), and his attempted land grab in Syria... they paid billions to give him further profit. The EU is weak, weak, weak. Braindead. 

 

That much is true. He has done his purges and that is that.

 

Actually it does,if most people start to think that it was an inside job,his referendum and presidency are out the window.

 

That won't matter. From what I am aware he enjoys zealot like support among the Conservatives/Islamists who outnumber everybody else. The reason for this apparently is over the decades the Liberals/Secularists have had "western style" birth rates you could say while the Conservatives/Islamists have had a much higher birthrate. If this what I've heard is true then I suppose the term "breed them out" is accurate here. There is no need to temper or compromise your message if you can simply dominate via outbreeding the other guys. 

 

Ironically ErdoÄŸan is also on the other side of such a thing as the Kurds outbreed Turks meaning if things carry on as they are Turkey will have a hard time holding on to the eastern part of the country. He will use his brutal tactics no doubt but the problem really manifests if the Kurds can get support from someone. ErdoÄŸan attacks EU leaders with impunity because he knows they are utterly toothless, but he is more careful around Trump/America (notice how he isn't calling him the Great Satan everyday for his Muslim comments) and Putin/Russia (notice now that Trump is in power he has suddenly more friendly with Russia) who as we know are states that are well known for supporting people in such situations.

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Actually it does,if most people start to think that it was an inside job,his referendum and presidency are out the window. What does? His referendum and presidency are now without opposition so it's already done.

 

 

Do you like... follow any events at all? You constantly don't know basic matters.  Constantly and thorough, yes. Having a differing opinion or analysis about a piece of information isn't a disqualification, but a disagreement in analysis. I get the sense you've never had your beliefs challenged and now that they are you're becoming defensive and angry.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/18/eu-strikes-deal-with-turkey-to-send-back-refugees-from-greece

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-eu-pays-3bn-to-turkey-in-exchange-for-help-on-dealing-with-european-migration-a6753861.html

 

They paid ErdoÄŸan for the pleasure of now having something to threaten them with. Already one of his guys has already threatened by asking how the EU would like for Turkey to open the "flood gates". Lets just put this in perspective here. ErdoÄŸan, a man who with the Syrian war is already making gains due to his buying of cheap ISIS oil, the killing of Kurds (be it him or ISIS killing them), and his attempted land grab in Syria... they paid billions to give him further profit. The EU is weak, weak, weak. Braindead.  The EU  is fine, actually. With Turkey not being a member and refugees facing no danger in Turkey they can be sent back to Turkey as a procedural matter. If we had a better president Erdogan wouldn't even dare make threats like that unless he really wanted Turkey ejected from NATO for some reason. There's no land grab; traditionally when you fight a war for territory you keep the territory until the war is over.

 

 

That won't matter. From what I am aware he enjoys zealot like support among the Conservatives/Islamists who outnumber everybody else. The reason for this apparently is over the decades the Liberals/Secularists have had "western style" birth rates you could say while the Conservatives/Islamists have had a much higher birthrate. If this what I've heard is true then I suppose the term "breed them out" is accurate here. There is no need to temper or compromise your message if you can simply dominate via outbreeding the other guys. Guess who pays these terrible people, their expenses, builds their schools and indoctrinates the unfortunate ones into hateful extremists? If you guessed our ally Saudi Arabia, you win! Your remark about breeding them out is already offensive so hopefully you'll work harder on persuasion as part of your argument. Otherwise what's the point of this discussion?

 

Ironically ErdoÄŸan is also on the other side of such a thing as the Kurds outbreed Turks meaning if things carry on as they are Turkey will have a hard time holding on to the eastern part of the country. He will use his brutal tactics no doubt but the problem really manifests if the Kurds can get support from someone. ErdoÄŸan attacks EU leaders with impunity because he knows they are utterly toothless, Not toothless at all. They currently enjoy NATO protection no matter Trump's attempts to screw that up and if that fails the EU military they're developing should be up and running shortly. but he is more careful around Trump/America (notice how he isn't calling him the Great Satan everyday for his Muslim comments) and Phitin/Russia (notice now that Trump is in power he has suddenly more friendly with Russia) who as we know are states that are well known for supporting people in such situations. Ye tah, Trump's good friends with a literal fascist worth more than anyone in the world, armed with all WMDs possible, who kills people on foreign soil as a routine thing and that's quite a friend Trump has. Trump's already taken baby steps in that direction so maybe we'll have the fortunate of having a fascist leader too and then Putin and Trump can go on picnics together.

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Constantly and thorough, yes. Having a differing opinion or analysis about a piece of information isn't a disqualification, but a disagreement in analysis. I get the sense you've never had your beliefs challenged and now that they are you're becoming defensive and angry.

The EU  is fine, actually. With Turkey not being a member and refugees facing no danger in Turkey they can be sent back to Turkey as a procedural matter. If we had a better president Erdogan wouldn't even dare make threats like that unless he really wanted Turkey ejected from NATO for some reason. There's no land grab; traditionally when you fight a war for territory you keep the territory until the war is over.

 

Guess who pays these terrible people, their expenses, builds their schools and indoctrinates the unfortunate ones into hateful extremists? If you guessed our ally Saudi Arabia, you win! Your remark about breeding them out is already offensive so hopefully you'll work harder on persuasion as part of your argument. Otherwise what's the point of this discussion?

 

They currently enjoy NATO protection no matter Trump's attempts to screw that up and if that fails the EU military they're developing should be up and running shortly.

 

Trump's good friends with a literal fascist worth more than anyone in the world, armed with all WMDs possible, who kills people on foreign soil as a routine thing and that's quite a friend Trump has. Trump's already taken baby steps in that direction so maybe we'll have the fortunate of having a fascist leader too and then Putin and Trump can go on picnics together.

 

??? Seriously trying this nonsense like I'm some unknown. Anybody who reads this section knows I've been challenged countless times (sometimes quite aggressively) by numerous people. I have no issue with being questioned but I'd like if the challenger actually knew at least the most basic of things relating to the matter.

 

What? The threat is for Turkey to stop taking in all those refugees and to unleash them all on Europe. Something they paid Turkey to have over them. The EU has no power to get Turkey ejected from NATO. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Turkmen_Brigades

Turkey's involvement in Syria involves the Turkmen in the area in an attempt to either absorb the land wholesale into Turkey or to establish a vassal Turkish state on Syrian land. 

 

Lol. You really don't have the faintest idea on anything, just drivel you've concocted in your head with a SJW flavour. That statement of yours is not something that applies to Turkey, a Muslim country lead by a Islamist. Saudi Arabia isn't to blame for ErdoÄŸan and the Conservative Muslim population. As for the "breeding out" being "offensive" it's quite clear that triggered you. I am referring to the Conservative and Secular Muslims in Turkey, both Turks, there is no racial difference. The Kurds are different though yes though I know that is not what you're taking offence with.

 

You must be a comedian, only explanation for how insane you always sound. The grand EU army protecting Turkey, a soon to be Islamist state lead by Sultan ErdoÄŸan. If it were to happen America and Russia were to gun for Turkey for the Kurds then army or no army, the EU like the pathetic weaklings they are would sit in the corner with their mouth shut and do nothing.

 

Not sure what the last comment is supposed to be about.

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