Why don't the christian alt-right like the muslim alt-right.

[Ogaden]

One of the more amusing things about watching the reactionaries lurch into power is how the Islamic and Christian versions of each other hate each other so much, yet are the same in every other respect.  Erdogan's policy proposals of more power for himself, brutalizing minorities, making Turkey great again, smashing the libs, strangling the press and generally waving his dick around is indistinguishable from Duterte or Trump or Modi or Putin or any of the other sad, modern day manifestations of the nation's id.

 

And yet, despite being essentially the same, they campaign on how they are the only people capable of standing up to the Great Evil, which just so happens to be the mirror image of themselves.  All the things that Geert Wilders is whining about Erdogan for doing is stuff that he would *love* to be doing.  Geert Wilders dreams every night of bombing minorities, shooting at socialists, arresting Liberals and signing an enabling act that makes him King Geert the First.

Edited March 14, 2017 by Ogaden

[Auctor]

Are you trying to ask why various nationalists often see their nationalistic goals as being at odds with each other's nationalistic goals? Isn't this a bit self evident? Why do two wrestlers in a ring see themselves as opponents rather than as allies? Why do two politicians running for the same position see themselves as opponents?

[Rozalia]

Nationalists should be banded together in a Internationalist union, is that what you're saying? What? Such a thing is not a perplexing matter. A Nationalist group could be a complete copy of another elsewhere and still oppose each other. If you want to talk perplexing then perhaps we should talk of the Progressive/Liberal-Islam alliance where the supposed champions of women and gays are teaming up with those who well... aren't so much such a thing.

 

Also while their policies outside the Islam related ones don't really get any coverage I've never come across them being big time anti-Socialists nor anti-Liberal for that matter. The Islam issue is simply one that seems to overpower everything else. 

[Lelouch Vi Britannia]

Hate, ultra-nationalists, extremists, and alt-ex groups have no specific group, nationality, or religion.

 

It is their belief their country/race/religion/ideology is supreme and that everyone else should obey or die. This can be seen in terrorists from Islam, Christianity, Buddism. From white supremacists to black supremacists, to whatever.

 

But as the OP explained, they do share striking similarities, but their belief that "I AM BETTER" is what will forever keep them from uniting, yet still being the same dirtbag who will murder in the name of their cause.

[Rozalia]

Also I just noticed you stated they were Muslim "Alt-right"... lol. They are the mainstream buddy and not some alternate group. Seems like you're just reaching to pin it all on the alt-right which the favourite target of people these days.

 

I would be very happy for that "Muslim alt-right" of yours to become the Muslim Reactionaries they should be in the west. However you can't do that by kowtowing and siding with them. 

 

Hate, ultra-nationalists, extremists, and alt-ex groups have no specific group, nationality, or religion.

 

It is their belief their country/race/religion/ideology is supreme and that everyone else should obey or die. This can be seen in terrorists from Islam, Christianity, Buddism. From white supremacists to black supremacists, to whatever.

 

But as the OP explained, they do share striking similarities, but their belief that "I AM BETTER" is what will forever keep them from uniting, yet still being the same dirtbag who will murder in the name of their cause.

 

Obey or die. Right. As we can see from all the dead Muslims across the west.

 

Complete misunderstanding of a perfectly logical position. If it was as simple as you put it then Nationalists would be overwhelmingly on the side of the Globalist's foreign interventionist system of bringing "freedom" and "democracy" to the "savages". They ain't. Overwhelmingly instead they want to not bomb those countries and leave the governments however bad they may be in charge. The supremacy is to have your country's culture dominate and supreme in the land. The other cultures can have supremacy in their lands. That is it. Just how I would not want the Chinese culture on top in my country, they would not want mine in their own... its fair and logical.

[Clarke]

A better question is why leftists are more favorable to Muslims rather than the far right when the average Muslim is way more extreme than the far right. 

To the question, not really since Turkey wants to dump its shit in European countries and European countries don't. I'm sure Geert Wilders just cares about keeping the identity of the country the same so it doesn't end up like the shithole the rapeugees come from. 

[Geronimo]

I think the OP raised a valid question. Both Christian alt-right and Muslim alt-right are pretty much on the same page. The only difference between these two is their beliefs in God, though. These two almost hold the same views regarding matters of gay-marriage, abortion, cannabis legalization, etc.

[Khorne]

I think the OP raised a valid question. Both Christian alt-right and Muslim alt-right are pretty much on the same page. The only difference between these two is their beliefs in God, though. These two almost hold the same views regarding matters of gay-marriage, abortion, cannabis legalization, etc.

 

The differences are more than enough to make them operate separately. 

[Geronimo]

The differences are more than enough to make them operate separately. 

 

I mean, why don't they team up and burn the whole world together?

[Auctor]

Despite perceived similarities, the differences are key. This isn't really a profound line of reasoning going on here. This is the stuff a two year old learns when he realizes other people don't all think the exact same thoughts he does.

[Vicente Martinez]

I mean, why don't they team up and burn the whole world together?

They have much more differences,other than beliefs,for starters,most Christian denominations consume pork and it's various products;In Islam,one of the worst things to do is to eat,or touch pork products and pigs.

Edited March 18, 2017 by Vincent de Beer

[Khorne]

I mean, why don't they team up and burn the whole world together?

 

Do you want me to go over the differences spawned by their mindsets?

 

It's genuinely not hard to imagine people just not working with each other due to differences that set them far, far apart. Key differences lie in the very things that make them the 'alt-right' of their respective religions. (See: Belief on Jesus, God himself)

[Clarke]

I think the OP raised a valid question. Both Christian alt-right and Muslim alt-right are pretty much on the same page. The only difference between these two is their beliefs in God, though. These two almost hold the same views regarding matters of gay-marriage, abortion, cannabis legalization, etc.

The problem here is you're saying Christian alt-right when a huge amount of alt right people aren't religious and don't have a religion compared to Muslims who are insanely religious. 

This comparison is fundamentally flawed and no logical conclusions can be attained from it. 

 

Its a bit different, the average Muslim wouldn't mind seeing gay people getting killed, the extreme Muslims just happen to do the killing. The average Muslim isn't going to care about it if the gay person gets killed, authorities won't even care. 

 

The main problem is your failing to realize the vast majority of Muslims are right of the "alt-right". That is the one of the key differences, only the extreme people who are shunned are the same sort of people as the average Muslim. Kinda unfair, if one was a Muslim and held those sick beliefs they would be acceptable. Disgusting leftists supporting hate. 

Edited March 18, 2017 by Lightning

[Geronimo]

They have much more differences,other than beliefs,for starters,most Christian denominations consume pork and it's various products;In Islam,one of the worst things to do is to eat,or touch pork products and pigs.

 

You don't have to lecture me about that, though. I'm pretty aware of such differences in these two religions. But nevertheless, thanks for your time replying to my post.

 

Do you want me to go over the differences spawned by their mindsets?

 

It's genuinely not hard to imagine people just not working with each other due to differences that set them far, far apart. Key differences lie in the very things that make them the 'alt-right' of their respective religions. (See: Belief on Jesus, God himself)

 

I personally think that these two are quite identical to each other. I don't think Christian alt-right does any better than its Muslim alt-right counterpart in regard to attitudes towards gay people, women, and other minority groups within their own communities. Even though I have to admit that Christian alt-right is less extreme when dealing with gay people, women, and other minority groups compared to its Muslim alt-right counterpart. However, it doesn't make them any better than its Muslim alt-right counterpart.

 

As I've stated earlier, I personally can't see the ideological differences between these two other than their beliefs in Supreme Being and how they should live their private lives, which supposedly aren't a part of our political discourses.

 

The problem here is you're saying Christian alt-right when a huge amount of alt right people aren't religious and don't have a religion compared to Muslims who are insanely religious. 

This comparison is fundamentally flawed and no logical conclusions can be attained from it. 

 

Its a bit different, the average Muslim wouldn't mind seeing gay people getting killed, the extreme Muslims just happen to do the killing. The average Muslim isn't going to care about it if the gay person gets killed, authorities won't even care. 

 

The main problem is your failing to realize the vast majority of Muslims are right of the "alt-right". That is the one of the key differences, only the extreme people who are shunned are the same sort of people as the average Muslim. Kinda unfair, if one was a Muslim and held those sick beliefs they would be acceptable. Disgusting leftists supporting hate. 

 

I think you're being intellectually dishonest here. You're simply ignoring the fact that Christians had bombed abortion clinics in the past along with other violence such as persecution towards gay people which is still going as of today. However, I do agree that Muslims bring this sort of ignorance to a new different level of extreme than their Christians counterparts.

 

I sort of agree with your assessment that the overwhelming majority of Muslims isn't going to condemn any violent acts done towards gay people and other minority groups. However, I don't think all liberals are ignorant to that fact. Currently, there's a growing number of liberals who encourage and endorse a public discourse to criticize and scrutinize Islam taking place in public.

[Clarke]

I think you're being intellectually dishonest here. You're simply ignoring the fact that Christians had bombed abortion clinics in the past along with other violence such as persecution towards gay people which is still going as of today. However, I do agree that Muslims bring this sort of ignorance to a new different level of extreme than their Christians counterparts.

There's no denying that but that is more crazy Christians rather than the Alt Right, the Alt-Right and Extreme Christians are two completely different things. 

The Alt-Right is more of a facts based movement so a deep believe in God wouldn't be compatible if you're using facts at the same. 

Edited March 18, 2017 by Lightning

[Auctor]

The discussion being clarified would help. Is the position the underlying question is essentially asking why these groups don't work together or is the underlying question why all the yucky people aren't all on the same team so we can dislike them more effectively?

[Geronimo]

There's no denying that but that is more crazy Christians rather than the Alt Right, the Alt-Right and Extreme Christians are two completely different things. 

The Alt-Right is more of a facts based movement so a deep believe in God wouldn't be compatible if you're using facts at the same. 

 

Again, you're simply being intellectually dishonest. I think the so-called crazy Christians and the Alt-Right movement are intertwined in one way to another. I'll list a few news published by Breitbart (the so-called Alt-Right media outlet) showing their support towards their Christian counterparts and their values.

Trump: Christian Refugees ‘Horribly Treated,’ ‘We Are Going to Help Them’

WATCH: Students Support Religious Freedom for Muslims, Not Christians

Christian Leader Sees ‘Spiritual Battle’ Over Trump Presidency