Dutch Election

ComradeMilton · March 21, 2017

"The most deadly right wing attacks occurred in the eighties for the most part and killed hundreds of thousands, actually. You're right that there's no comparison, but wrong about who is worse." Totally disagree.

"Hundreds of thousands"??? Where exactly are you getting your info from? Academic textbooks and articles.

It's really sad that you have go back all the way to the 1980s just to try and win,because what happened in 2015 happens to be much more relevant than things that happened in the 20th century. Totally disagree. The whole reason the Middle East is the way it is now is all as a result of actions in the 20th and 19th centuries. Ignoring history doesn't reflect well on you or your knowledge at all. but if that's how you're playing,then so be it.After some searching,it seems that the most deadly far right attack (since 1980)is the Oklahoma bombing,which killed 160+ persons,in comparison,9/11 killed 2990+ persons,and again,you can combine all the right wing attacks since 1980 and you still won't match up to 9/11. No, they'd exceed it. I'm not desperate to win, you just keep changing what you're talking about. There's little practical difference in a terrorist organization and a military dictatorship that permits mass imprisonments without trial, endorses torture on an enormous scale and sometimes just makes people disappear entirely. By that count US right-wing influence on South America probably beats even Iraq and Afghanistan.

Vicente Martinez · March 22, 2017

"Totally Disagree"

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You just disagreed with your own statement...

"Academic Textbooks and articles"

What a fat lie.

http://www.awesome80s.com/Awesome80s/News/Special-Reports/Terrorism/

I just have two things to say.

1.Your claim that hundreds of thousands of people died as a result of right wing terrorism during the 1980s,is a lie.

2.You bloody hypocrite! You constantly accuse people of making stuff up,yet you make this outrageous claim and have the audacity to stand byâ€‹ it?! Utter garbage to say the least.

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Totally disagree. The whole reason the Middle East is the way it is now is all as a result of actions in the 20th and 19th centuries. Ignoring history doesn't reflect well on you or your knowledge at all."

I was specifically talking about terrorism.

"No, they'd exceed it"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe

Don't get sneaky and clump the right wing and Nationalist/Separatist attacks together.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

I invite you to add up the attacks that have.right-wing motives since 1980,combine them,and then compare them to 9/11.

"There's little practical difference in a terrorist organization and a military dictatorship that permits mass imprisonments without trial, endorses torture on an enormous scale and sometimes just makes people disappear entirely. By that count US right-wing influence on South America probably beats even Iraq and Afghanistan."

Was Cambodia a terrorist organisation? Was Brazil a terrorist organisation? Was Romania a terrorist organisation?The US isn't definitively right wing as it is a democracy,nor is it a terrorist organisation/terrorist,so you really can't cite the things they do.Mass imprisonment and torture don't really count as terrorism.

Edited March 22, 2017 by Vincent de Beer

ComradeMilton · March 22, 2017

"Totally Disagree"

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You just disagreed with your own statement...Perhaps that's your reading of it. Oh well.

"Academic Textbooks and articles"

What a fat lie.True, actually. Not that hard to find either if you ask a reference librarian to help.

http://www.awesome80s.com/Awesome80s/News/Special-Reports/Terrorism/ I'd already stopped and you complained about me shifting outside of traditional terrorism. That link is completely useless.

I just have two things to say.

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1.Your claim that hundreds of thousands of people died as a result of right wing terrorism during the 1980s,is a lie. Not at all. If anything an underestimate.

2.You bloody hypocrite! You constantly accuse people of making stuff up,yet you make this outrageous claim and have the audacity to stand byâ€‹ it?! Utter garbage to say the least No idea what this refers to..

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Totally disagree. The whole reason the Middle East is the way it is now is all as a result of actions in the 20th and 19th centuries. Ignoring history doesn't reflect well on you or your knowledge at all."No idea what this refers to.

I was specifically talking about terrorism. Is this you or an alleged quote from me?

"No, they'd exceed it" Again, is this you or an alleged quote from me?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe

Don't get sneaky and clump the right wing and Nationalist/Separatist attacks together. Nationalists are right-wing. I can't change how political science works just to appease your feelings or whatever.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

I invite you to add up the attacks that have.right-wing motives since 1980,combine them,and then compare them to 9/11. I already explained that I was talking about exported terrorism for the most part. It adds up to making 9/11 seem like a minor issue.

"There's little practical difference in a terrorist organization and a military dictatorship that permits mass imprisonments without trial, endorses torture on an enormous scale and sometimes just makes people disappear entirely. By that count US right-wing influence on South America probably beats even Iraq and Afghanistan."

Was Cambodia a terrorist organisation? Yes. Was Brazil a terrorist organisation? The "was" is the only problem in that line. Was Romania a terrorist organisation? Harder to say, but probably, yes. The US isn't definitively right wing as it is a democracy,nor is it a terrorist organisation/terrorist,so you really can't cite the things they do.Mass imprisonment and torture don't really count as terrorism.The US is absolutely right-wing. Our electoral choices are either centrists who are conservative similar to a European conservative party or even more conservative in the Republican Party which doesn't have a very good matchup in European politics. You can be a democracy and terrorize. Mass imprisonment is kidnapping which is definitely terroristic as does torture as state policy shielding other terrorists in the US and the whole list of other things I gave you.

Vicente Martinez · March 22, 2017

Not at all. If anything an underestimate."

Do you have any evidence do back up your statement?Can you show the articles and Academic textbooks?If you're trying to prove a point at least have the decency not to lie and make shit up

Nationalists are right-wing. I can't change how political science works just to appease your feelings or whatever."

Not all of them,the vast majority of these terrorist attack may be motivated by "nationalist" causes (like a desire for independence) but are carried out by leftist and Islamic groups.

"I already explained that I was talking about exported terrorism for the most part. It adds up to making 9/11 seem like a minor issue."

Can you please clearly explain what type of terrorism you're talking about?

"Yes. Was Brazil a terrorist organisation? The "was" is the only problem in that line. Was Romania a terrorist organisation? Harder to say, but probably, yes"

Wait,are you trying to tell me that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_military_government

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Republic_of_Romania

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia

Are terrorist organizations?

"The US is absolutely right-wing. Our electoral choices are either centrists who are conservative similar to a European conservative party or even more conservative in the Republican Party which doesn't have a very good matchup in European politics."

Obama,Sanders,Clinton,Stein and Gary Johnson are obviously right wing and centrist people.A democracy isn't definitively right wing nor is it left wing.Kidnapping of a random person isn't terrorism,however,kidnapping of officials is.Torture is not terroristic,it's barbaric.Mass imprisonment can't be called terrorism if we're using solid definitions here.

Edited March 22, 2017 by Vincent de Beer

Rozalia · March 22, 2017

That has nothing to do with religion it's just corruption.

Says who, exactly?

You either didn't read what I linked or ignored it.

And over other things in Chicago. Crime happens; things I don't agree with happen, etc.

Then there's encroachment on their religious freedoms which is almost worse. If you measure Islamic terrorists against total Muslim populations you'd need a lot of scientific notation to actually display the number it's so large.

I know what they try to teach and that in order to qualify as a legitimate school also have to handle the normal curriculum any other school does. The rest is objectionable, but protected speech.

I have not said that. I find the idea objectionable, but I'm not going to condemn every member of the religion for a few crazies.

The US? Yes.

Shooting down a civilian airliner, giving precursor chemicals to Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war. The Kurdish where they killed everyone with some of the chemical weapons we basically provided to them. Massacring a mile or more column of light vehicles retreating back into Iraq during the first Gulf War. Extraordinary rendition, illegal imprisonment and violation of related treaties, training death squads and extreme right wing leaders, then helping throwing coups that put them into power; the list just goes on and on.

When/where?

They're not going to change their religion because you say you don't like it, you realize? Perhaps you should be taught how to argue a belief you don't hold in reality. It's taught in nicer colleges and helps in situations like this.

You can keep repeating your error, but it's not going to stop being wrong. Conservatives are not the moderates, they're much more right-wing than the majority of Muslims, but nowhere near as extremist as you make them out to be.

I would? According to whom? You're doing that thing where you make stuff up and then argue against it like it's been said by someone else again.

I've never tried to hide them.

Except Islam deals with slavery, allows it, and is what they follow and allows them to see no issues with it. Only reason the middle east doesn't have a large population of black people is because for centuries in their slave trade they castrated their slaves so they couldn't breed. That in turn lead to a massive death rate which I've mentioned here once when Islam's death related numbers were being defended. Slavery as we think of it of working hard in the fields and such did actually decrease as a thing in the middle east it should be said and it all became very domestic... after black slaves rose up against the Caliph.

Your next line is "Christianity has parts on slavery too".

Excuse me? You can accuse me of being a Islamophobe and not actually caring about an issue, simply using it as a hammer, with just your words and its all good. However I can state something about you? Oh and no you don't care. Anybody who even outright says they only defend a group because of attacks on them, and also in the part you leave out holds back on attacking them to not add to the numbers doing so... does not care. They care about pampering how good and virtuous they feel and that is that. For example I've seen plenty of your kind who would defend the Jews from everything and anything, and yet now throw Jews under the bus if it deals with Muslims. Very dishonest people.

I acknowledged it and then told you what you were missing. Simple as that.

Cutting people to pieces for not being Muslim. Just crime, like a mugging you know. Islam doesn't need to be looked at, oh no. Whataboutery is a fallacy and all you have.

Forcing them to not segregate and disrespect females, not teach that the Jews are devils, that Apostates should be killed, and so on is "encroachment on their religious freedoms". Sounds like you're the sort who would complain to the police if they ever saved you from a terrorist. "That man was only doing his religious freedom when he tried to behead me. How dare you stop him". Radicals, who are very close to the Conservatives with the main difference being as they like to say that Radicals do and Conservatives mostly sit idle, are not something we are to blame for. Conservative Muslims are to blame.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/panorama/2010/11/british_schools_islamic_rules.html

One of the links I gave you mentioned that so lol at telling me I don't read things. Their schools are part time and so can around possible blocks. Oh, you defend anti-semetism, Homophobia, and misogyny again I see. Protected speech you say this time. As you know, those are things children should be taught and it doesn't help when it comes to radicalising them later in life or anything...

You just repeated that such hatred is acceptable to be taught AGAIN in your sentence above this one I'm replying to. "For a few crazies", you just repeat that no matter the actual circumstances. A network of 40 schools is not a "few crazies". Even if we take those schools as being the only problem ones (they ain't) then that is 5000 students being taught that homosexuals are evil and need killing and that Jews are devils and all that other garbage. Then you get the next 5000, then the next, and next, and 20 years from now you have a large amount of their young/middle aged who are completely insane in their ideas. You nip this garbage in the bud by hammering and destroying those schools. You don't sit back and limply state that they should be allowed to teach all that vile excrement.

Show me.

A prison gang did that? Evidence please. It all sounds quite wild so please provide the required evidence.

Every single time you state its just a few crazies and such. Conservatives (WHO ARE NOT RADICALS) are the majority. Their views are abhorrent and vile.

And your stating that their anti-women, gay, and Jew stuff is dandy will?

No doubt you're one of those who sees Syrian head choppers as Moderates and lovers of democracy also. "Moderates" are Conservatives. There is a range on how rapid a Conservative can be with the Radical being when they are at their most, but they're Conservatives all the same even if they only think you should be killed and never care to do it themselves.

Making stuff up. Posted link that stated such a thing was happening. Making it up. Lol.

Of course you haven't which is why most people think you're completely insane. Why however then say I cannot know your kind when you are so open?

Nationalists are right-wing. I can't change how political science works just to appease your feelings or whatever.

I'm content to not interject in your argue there but that above is so stupid and a Nationalist myself I have to respond.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers'_Party

Just one example (there are many) of a left wing Nationalist group. Not all people, thankfully, on the left are anti-Nationalism like people such as you are. A love for your nation and its people is not a left-right wing affair.

ComradeMilton · March 22, 2017

Not at all. If anything an underestimate."

Do you have any evidence do back up your statement?Can you show the articles and Academic textbooks?If you're trying to prove a point at least have the decency not to lie and make shit up. Still not lying or making shit up, But I'm tired of looking up stuff for you guys to dismiss. You've made it pointless.

Nationalists are right-wing. I can't change how political science works just to appease your feelings or whatever."

Not all of them,the vast majority of these terrorist attack may be motivated by "nationalist" causes (like a desire for independence) but are carried out by leftist and Islamic groups. Simply incorrect.

"I already explained that I was talking about exported terrorism for the most part. It adds up to making 9/11 seem like a minor issue."

Can you please clearly explain what type of terrorism you're talking about? If it's not already clear, no.

"Yes. Was Brazil a terrorist organisation? The "was" is the only problem in that line. Was Romania a terrorist organisation? Harder to say, but probably, yes"

Wait,are you trying to tell me that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_military_government

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Republic_of_Romania

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia

Are terrorist organizations? None of them exist anymore, but yes.

"The US is absolutely right-wing. Our electoral choices are either centrists who are conservative similar to a European conservative party or even more conservative in the Republican Party which doesn't have a very good matchup in European politics."

Obama (centrist),Sanders first valid liberal candidate in decades. ,Clinton (centrist),Stein (she's okay, but unelectable) and Gary Johnson (is a Libertarian outside of college, which is hilarious. are obviously right wing and centrist people.A democracy isn't definitively right wing nor is it left wing.Kidnapping of a random person isn't terrorism,however,kidnapping of officials is.Torture is not terroristic,it's barbaric.Mass imprisonment can't be called terrorism if we're using solid definitions here.That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but it's incorrect.

Except Islam deals with slavery, allows it, and is what they follow and allows them to see no issues with it. Only reason the middle east doesn't have a large population of black people is because for centuries in their slave trade they castrated their slaves so they couldn't breed. That in turn lead to a massive death rate which I've mentioned here once when Islam's death related numbers were being defended. Slavery as we think of it of working hard in the fields and such did actually decrease as a thing in the middle east it should be said and it all became very domestic... after black slaves rose up against the Caliph.Islamic pirates at the time with involvement in slavery generally targeted white people's ships, not black.

Your next line is "Christianity has parts on slavery too". Actually I'd just assume people know that already.

Excuse me? You can accuse me of being a Islamophobe and not actually caring about an issue, simply using it as a hammer, with just your words and its all good. However I can state something about you? Oh and no you don't care. Anybody who even outright says they only defend a group because of attacks on them, and also in the part you leave out holds back on attacking them to not add to the numbers doing so... does not care. They care about pampering how good and virtuous they feel and that is that. For example I've seen plenty of your kind who would defend the Jews from everything and anything, and yet now throw Jews under the bus if it deals with Muslims. Very dishonest people. I don't have a kind and my beliefs at that level are not what you're imagining, though you often get away with your fake knowledge.

I acknowledged it and then told you what you were missing. Simple as that.

Cutting people to pieces for not being Muslim. Just crime, like a mugging you know. Islam doesn't need to be looked at, oh no. Whataboutery is a fallacy and all you have. You're welcome to your opinion.

Forcing them to not segregate and disrespect females, not teach that the Jews are devils, that Apostates should be killed, and so on is "encroachment on their religious freedoms". Sounds like you're the sort who would complain to the police if they ever saved you from a terrorist. Yes and no, respectively. "That man was only doing his religious freedom when he tried to behead me. How dare you stop him". Radicals, who are very close to the Conservatives with the main difference being as they like to say that Radicals do and Conservatives mostly sit idle, are not something we are to blame for. Conservative Muslims are to blame.Extremist Muslims are to blame. Moderate ones are just quiet and more similar to the more liberal varieties of Judaism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/panorama/2010/11/british_schools_islamic_rules.html

One of the links I gave you mentioned that so lol at telling me I don't read things. Their schools are part time and so can around possible blocks. Oh, you defend anti-semetism, Homophobia, and misogyny again I see. Protected speech you say this time. As you know, those are things children should be taught and it doesn't help when it comes to radicalising them later in life or anything...It's talking about religion and inhibiting it, both are protected by the Constitution.

You just repeated that such hatred is acceptable to be taught AGAIN in your sentence above this one I'm replying to. "For a few crazies", you just repeat that no matter the actual circumstances. A network of 40 schools is not a "few crazies". Even if we take those schools as being the only problem ones (they ain't) then that is 5000 students being taught that homosexuals are evil and need killing and that Jews are devils and all that other garbage. Then you get the next 5000, then the next, and next, and 20 years from now you have a large amount of their young/middle aged who are completely insane in their ideas. You nip this garbage in the bud by hammering and destroying those schools. You don't sit back and limply state that they should be allowed to teach all that vile excrement. Then move to a country where you can do that. It's not here.

Show me. Show you what?

A prison gang did that? Evidence please. It all sounds quite wild so please provide the required evidence. There's no required evidence,

Every single time you state its just a few crazies and such. Conservatives (WHO ARE NOT RADICALS) are the majority. Their views are abhorrent and vile.

And your stating that their anti-women, gay, and Jew stuff is dandy will? I never said that either.

No doubt you're one of those who sees Syrian head choppers as Moderates and lovers of democracy also. "Moderates" are Conservatives. There is a range on how rapid a Conservative can be with the Radical being when they are at their most, but they're Conservatives all the same even if they only think you should be killed and never care to do it themselves. Conservatives are not extremists. It's why they have different names.

Making stuff up. Posted link that stated such a thing was happening. Making it up. Lol. No idea what you're referring to. Something you made up and are not putting on me would be my guess given your behavior to this point.

Of course you haven't which is why most people think you're completely insane. Why however then say I cannot know your kind when you are so open? You know what most people are thinking? That's impressive. You can't accurately describe me because you can't or won't bother to try and instead just make stuff up, attribute it to me and then argue about it. You do it so rountinely I may as well not be here myself;; you can just keep making up quotations and beliefs on your own to then debate with yourself.

I'm content to not interject in your argue there but that above is so stupid and a Nationalist myself I have to respond.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers'_Party

Just one example (there are many) of a left wing Nationalist group. Not all people, thankfully, on the left are anti-Nationalism like people such as you are. A love for your nation and its people is not a left-right wing affair. Neither are imagined quotations attributed to me.

Rozalia · March 22, 2017

Actually I'd just assume people know that already.

I don't have a kind and my beliefs at that level are not what you're imagining, though you often get away with your fake knowledge.

You're welcome to your opinion.

Yes and no, respectively.

Extremist Muslims are to blame. Moderate ones are just quiet and more similar to the more liberal varieties of Judaism.

It's talking about religion and inhibiting it, both are protected by the Constitution.

Then move to a country where you can do that. It's not here.

There's no required evidence,

I never said that either.

Conservatives are not extremists. It's why they have different names.

No idea what you're referring to. Something you made up and are not putting on me would be my guess given your behavior to this point.

You know what most people are thinking? That's impressive. You can't accurately describe me because you can't or won't bother to try and instead just make stuff up, attribute it to me and then argue about it. You do it so rountinely I may as well not be here myself;; you can just keep making up quotations and beliefs on your own to then debate with yourself.

Neither are imagined quotations attributed to me.

I'm not even going to bother to defend Christianity as I really don't need or care to. Explain to me how whataboutery towards Christianity excuses Islam, which unlike Christianity is carried out to this day.

Everyone has a kind, stop thinking you're some special snowflake unique in this world. You sound like a typical regressive apologist.

Your constant whataboutery being a fallacy is no opinion, but a fact. Of course you are the person who have their own personal definition of just what terrorism is to excuse certain groups so it should come as no surprise.

You sound... well, worse than those KKK guys you always love to attack. I'm confident if we were to remove Muslim and put in the KKK your view on that would turn a 180 too. This level of Muslim defense is hilarious, truly. Beyond parody. People on here could try to parody one of your type and it'd be less extreme then the garbage you are talking. At least you won't complain the police if they were to save you from a beheading, some sense remains somehow.

Yes. People who believe Jews are devils, Homosexuals need locking up/killing, and that women should be good little pets are Liberal. There are actual Liberal Muslims out there of course but you have no interest in protecting them so they are very few indeed.

You are so twisted it is amazing. A white guy saying the Jews are devils, wrong in Miltons world. A Muslim saying the same, dandy in Miltons world. I'm thankful for your type truly, you show how stupid and ridiculous your side is in this affair.

Where is here? I have been primarily giving you British/European matters and you keep talking America. Either way though it is in no way wrong to stop racism (and other things) being taught in schools.

So you have zero evidence of all the things you rattled off? What is this? You just make a bunch of wild claims and then when asked for evidence you provide zero and we're just take this all in as true? I haven't bothered to check said Prison gang and if they actually did do any coups and all that other stuff you regurgitated but going by your performance I think it is a safe bet to assume you're lying.

I suppose yes, you never did say that acting as you do will solve the issue. The issue is apparently unsolvable I guess. We just got to live with it... no.

Yes, which I established to you so why even say that to me? Conservatives are a step away from the extremists which are the radicals. The saying of "A Radical Muslim wants to kill you. A Conservative Muslim wants a Radical Muslim to kill you" is apt here. They share many beliefs, Conservatives are just more willing to idle and leave it to others. However when one of those Conservative snaps, gets angry, and wants to do something... so easy to become a radical.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/09/shunned-for-saying-theyre-muslims-life-for-ahmadis-after-asad-shahs

Imam Abdul Quddus Arif describes â€œa sort of apartheidâ€ in nearby Tooting, where Ahmadi are refused employment by other Muslim businesses and not served food in restaurants. Hate preaching in non-Ahmadi mosques across the UK is â€œrampantâ€, he adds.

As I said. You don't get to say I've made up stuff when I have in fact linked to it. I know you haven't read any of the links clearly as reading about Muslim misdeeds must hurt your brain, but at least consider how discrediting it is to call me a liar when it is right there for all to see.

Why would I ever bother making things up about you? You have outright several times said Muslims should be allowed to teach sexist, racist, and homophobic stuff to young children. Anything I could make up wouldn't make you out worse than you are already.

Says Nationalists are right-wing. When shown to be wrong as always. Replies that the quote is not attributed to him. Did you take any blows to the head lately?

Vicente Martinez · March 22, 2017

". Still not lying or making shit up, But I'm tired of looking up stuff for you guys to dismiss. You've made it pointless.

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Every single piece of evidence I've provided you've said it's worthless and now you just refuse to provide evidence?As far as I'm concerned,you've been proven wrong as always.I'm sorry but that's how a debate works.

"Simply incorrect."

So ZANU,The Basque fighters,Black September and dozens of other organizations are right wing?You are making 0 sense right now.

" If it's not already clear, no."

So I make a point and stick to that same point,you accuse me of shifting and switching subjects (which are lies since I only used ONE terrorist attack to prove my point) meanwhile you're going all over the damm place.

"None of them exist anymore, but yes."

You're wrong.Every historian and source worth their salt disagrees with you,a terrorist group doesn't have a legislature,defined borders,international representation and monetary currency.

The America that has gay marriage,legal abortion,separation of church and state and regular elections in which candidates from both sides of the political spectrum participate in,is right wing?Have you hit your head recently?

"That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but it's incorrect."

It's not an opinion,it's a fact,it is quite funny how you're rejecting definitions that are recognized globally,idk if you've noticed but you don't have any authority to define what is terroism,nor do I.

Mass imprisonment,kidnapping (of normal people) and torture don't count under this.

"mass noun. The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/terrorism

It's really hard to argue with a guy who constantly changes definitions,lies and rejects his own quotes,no offense intended but you're just looking outright stupid now.

Edited March 22, 2017 by Vincent de Beer

ComradeMilton · March 22, 2017

I'm not even going to bother to defend Christianity as I really don't need or care to. Explain to me how whataboutery towards Christianity excuses Islam, which unlike Christianity is carried out to this day. Then my statements stand. These two sentences don't actually make any sense, though.

Everyone has a kind, stop thinking you're some special snowflake unique in this world. You sound like a typical regressive apologist. I'll leave what you sound like to your imagination. Not everyone has a type and it doesn't mean being a special snowflake (sick 20 year old movie reference).

Your constant whataboutery being a fallacy is no opinion, but a fact. Of course you are the person who have their own personal definition of just what terrorism is to excuse certain groups so it should come as no surprise. Nope, opinion and the formal definitions of terrorism. Perhaps you should try reading about the topics we're discussing. It'd shorten the time it takes you to respond accurately.

You sound... well, worse than those KKK guys you always love to attack. I'm confident if we were to remove Muslim and put in the KKK your view on that would turn a 180 too. This level of Muslim defense is hilarious, truly. Beyond parody. People on here could try to parody one of your type and it'd be less extreme then the garbage you are talking. At least you won't complain the police if they were to save you from a beheading, some sense remains somehow. The KKK is already surging and a terrorist group. I'm in no way extreme, you're just taking it that way because people of your type hate brown people. (See I can make up wildly inaccurate claims just as much as you!)

Yes. People who believe Jews are devils, Homosexuals need locking up/killing, and that women should be good little pets are Liberal. There are actual Liberal Muslims out there of course but you have no interest in protecting them so they are very few indeed. You really need to stop trying to speak for me. You've yet to do it accurately at any occasion.

You are so twisted it is amazing. A white guy saying the Jews are devils, wrong in Miltons world. A Muslim saying the same, dandy in Miltons world. I'm thankful for your type truly, you show how stupid and ridiculous your side is in this affair. Who says I'm white? I have no type. You're the one blaming a billion plus people for the actions of like 0.0001% of them. Your type is so simplistic, arrogant and terrible at discussion I don't actually understand why you're allowed to do it.

Where is here? I have been primarily giving you British/European matters and you keep talking America. Either way though it is in no way wrong to stop racism (and other things) being taught in schools. As long as the schools are accredited they're fine. Lots of groups have supplemental schooling. Did you ever see My Big Fat Greek Wedding? They had Greek school as a supplement.

So you have zero evidence of all the things you rattled off? Who said that? I'm just not bothering to give them to you anymore; it happens when someone wastes time finding sources for you because all you do is dismiss them so I'm not going to do it anymore. What is this? You just make a bunch of wild claims and then when asked for evidence you provide zero and we're just take this all in as true? I don't particularly care what you do. I don't really care if people of your type accept it or not. You're kind of irrelevant. 't bothered to check said Prison gang and if they actually did do any coups and all that other stuff you regurgitated but going by your performance I think it is a safe bet to assume you're lying.I haven't lied once, you just keep claiming that. Don't worry, though, I've become accustomed to your wild claims, resorting to call stuff lies and trying to create quotations on others' behalf that you can then dispute. Check Wikipedia if you like, but I've already explained why I'm not bothering to give you sources anymore.

I suppose yes, you never did say that acting as you do will solve the issue. The issue is apparently unsolvable I guess. We just got to live with it... no. DIsagree as you like. I disagree with basically everything you say. No harm, your opinion is basically irrelevant to me.

Yes, which I established to you so why even say that to me? Conservatives are a step away from the extremists which are the radicals. The saying of "A Radical Muslim wants to kill you. A Conservative Muslim wants a Radical Muslim to kill you" is apt here. They share many beliefs, Conservatives are just more willing to idle and leave it to others. However when one of those Conservative snaps, gets angry, and wants to do something... so easy to become a radical. And you've finally admitted the truth that conservatives are not radicals. You're on your way to actual, honest discussion. Congratulations!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/09/shunned-for-saying-theyre-muslims-life-for-ahmadis-after-asad-shahs

As I said. You don't get to say I've made up stuff when I have in fact linked to it. I know you haven't read any of the links clearly as reading about Muslim misdeeds must hurt your brain, but at least consider how discrediting it is to call me a liar when it is right there for all to see.I read all of them, they just don't support what you claim they do. I didn't say you lied via major British newspapers, I said you've been lying about all kinds of other stuff.

Why would I ever bother making things up about you? You have outright several times said Muslims should be allowed to teach sexist, racist, and homophobic stuff to young children. Anything I could make up wouldn't make you out worse than you are already. I actually just pointed out that they're ability to do so is protected by the Constitution.

Says Nationalists are right-wing. When shown to be wrong as always. Replies that the quote is not attributed to him. Did you take any blows to the head lately? You're terrible at debating things. Nationalists are right-wing by their very nature. You didn't include a quotation in your post.

". Still not lying or making shit up, But I'm tired of looking up stuff for you guys to dismiss. You've made it pointless.

"

Every single piece of evidence I've provided you've said it's worthless and now you just refuse to provide evidence?As far as I'm concerned,you've been proven wrong as always.I'm sorry but that's how a debate works. My debate works the way I want it to. Your opinion of my beliefs is irrelevant to them. Sorry.

"Simply incorrect."

So ZANU,The Basque fighters,Black September and dozens of other organizations are right wing?You are making 0 sense right now. Well given I didn't name them, I'd guess I may or may not have included them.

" If it's not already clear, no."

So I make a point and stick to that same point,you accuse me of shifting and switching subjects (which are lies since I only used ONE terrorist attack to prove my point) meanwhile you're going all over the damm place. There's a lot of right-wing to cover. You are shifting and switching crazily and if you display even minor introspection it'd be glaringly obvious.

"None of them exist anymore, but yes."

You're wrong.Every historian and source worth their salt disagrees with you,a terrorist group doesn't have a legislature,defined borders,international representation and monetary currency. You know every historian and their beliefs? This psychic power of yours just keeps coming in handy. ISIS has declared borders, Al Quaeda has a legislature, the PLO had United Nations observer status while they were terrorizing the world and like most groups to small to support a full monetary setup tend to just use dollars or Euros.

The America that has gay marriage,legal abortion,separation of church and state and regular elections in which candidates from both sides of the political spectrum participate in,is right wing?Have you hit your head recently? Yes, it's right-wing.

"That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but it's incorrect."

It's not an opinion,it's a fact,it is quite funny how you're rejecting definitions that are recognized globally,idk if you've noticed but you don't have any authority to define what is terroism,nor do I. You certainly seem to be trying your hardest to do it, despite apparently not having the ability to do so. I'm going to continue with my statements since they're accurate. If you don't like them that's not really my problem.

Mass imprisonment,kidnapping (of normal people) and torture don't count under this. Totally disagree.

"mass noun. The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/terrorism Which is precisely what I was describing as terrorism among nationstates. Thanks for the help, but I don't really need it.

It's really hard to argue with a guy who constantly changes definitions,lies and rejects his own quotes,no offense intended but you're just looking outright stupid now. Perhaps pay more attention to how I don't do that, lie or reject my own quotations (when they're quoted accurately, which isn't a big strength of yours so far.)

Vicente Martinez · March 22, 2017

" You know every historian and their beliefs? This psychic power of yours just keeps coming in handy. ISIS has declared borders, Al Quaeda has a legislature, the PLO had United Nations observer status while they were terrorizing the world and like most groups to small to support a full monetary setup tend to just use dollars or Euros."

So what? Were the Romanians terrorists then?

ComradeMilton · March 22, 2017

I already answered your ridiculous list that were all obviously true.

Rozalia · March 22, 2017

Then my statements stand. These two sentences don't actually make any sense, though.

I'll leave what you sound like to your imagination. Not everyone has a type and it doesn't mean being a special snowflake (sick 20 year old movie reference).

Nope, opinion and the formal definitions of terrorism. Perhaps you should try reading about the topics we're discussing. It'd shorten the time it takes you to respond accurately.

The KKK is already surging and a terrorist group. I'm in no way extreme, you're just taking it that way because people of your type hate brown people. (See I can make up wildly inaccurate claims just as much as you!)

You really need to stop trying to speak for me. You've yet to do it accurately at any occasion.

Who says I'm white? I have no type. You're the one blaming a billion plus people for the actions of like 0.0001% of them. Your type is so simplistic, arrogant and terrible at discussion I don't actually understand why you're allowed to do it.

As long as the schools are accredited they're fine. Lots of groups have supplemental schooling. Did you ever see My Big Fat Greek Wedding? They had Greek school as a supplement.

I'm just not bothering to give them to you anymore; it happens when someone wastes time finding sources for you because all you do is dismiss them so I'm not going to do it anymore.

I haven't lied once, you just keep claiming that. Don't worry, though, I've become accustomed to your wild claims, resorting to call stuff lies and trying to create quotations on others' behalf that you can then dispute. Check Wikipedia if you like, but I've already explained why I'm not bothering to give you sources anymore.

DIsagree as you like. I disagree with basically everything you say. No harm, your opinion is basically irrelevant to me.

And you've finally admitted the truth that conservatives are not radicals. You're on your way to actual, honest discussion. Congratulations!

I read all of them, they just don't support what you claim they do. I didn't say you lied via major British newspapers, I said you've been lying about all kinds of other stuff.

I actually just pointed out that they're ability to do so is protected by the Constitution.

You didn't include a quotation in your post.

Then no it doesn't stand. Doing whataboutery with Christianity doesn't render your statement that the slavery currently going on in the middle east has nothing to do with Islam correct.

Its very apt for someone who believes themselves so special they don't have a "type". I've seen plenty of your sort, though I don't believe any quite as bad as yourself.

Your definitions followed by just yourself do not take precedence over the actual definitions.

Like I said. If the KKK you'll be against but not if it's Muslims. What a joke. I'm not going to bother with looking if the KKK is surging or not, pretty safe bet to just assume you widely wrong unless you actually provide any evidence. In addition to this I would ask to provide the terrorist attacks the KKK has done from 2000 onward. You know full well I've linked you the stats on terrorist attacks so we both know the answer here. Why even say this stupid garbage? Just silly.

You're the type that'd call a Liberal Muslim a Islamophobe. You defend Conservatives for virtue points and the type that does that throws the rest to the wolves. Don't take my word for it. Your dismissing and uncaring for Apostates, Ahmadis, and others shown here in this thread is proof enough.

Indeed, who did say you were white? Certainly wasn't me. Reread and try again. Wrong as ever. I could not care less about the large majority of Muslims in Muslim countries, whatever, don't care. However the Conservative Muslims in the west are indeed to blame for all the problems with Islam in the west.

Does it not get through to you what you are defending? Literally defending the teaching of sexism, racism, and homophobia because its Islam. Such a thing is something you expect from the likes of Ibrahim but at least he actually is a Muslim crazy who supports ISIS. What is your excuse?

Actually no, you are lying and projecting. You are very light on evidence and are the one who ignores evidence when presented to you. You made wild, I mean absolutely crazy claims to try to put that prison gang on the level of left wing groups in their group terrorism. You need to back that up. If it is indeed true then it happened and what can be said? So pony up on these apparent events that happened or you are as you often do, lying out your arse.

EDIT: I rechecked before this level of crazy is bothering me. Seems that when questioned on evidence for the prison gang you responded with, "The US?" and then posted US action... which does in no way tell us what the prison gang has done. Just odd on your part but nothing new indeed.

So apparently I have manufactured your quotes have I? Can you point this out somewhere? I have replied to your statements in the red text. I have copy and pasted them into a quote box because how you reply is such a mess. However they are all yours. I've checked their wiki page actually, nothing regarding these wild crazy claims of yours.

Not sure how that is a response to what was there. You have no solution and your sole interest is to attack those who want to talk about a solution. Pathetic.

... Hehehe, bloody hell. Do you think you are clever? You have any idea how stupid you sound? Well of course not considering what you say.

Again you misunderstand the situation so heavily. The problem are not the mad dog radicals as they are indeed a small tiny minority. The problem is the Conservatives who make up the majority who in many cases are no different to Radicals outside them believing they shouldn't personally get involved in killing (leave that to the Radicals).

Bloody hell, how many damn times. Those articles I linked involved normal people being the wrongdoers, not damn terrorists. The things I mentioned of anti-gay, women, jew, Aposate, the not serving/hiring of Ahmadis, and the rest are all done not by terrorists, but by Conservatives. It seems clear you don't even know what a Conservative is so I'll try to clue you in. The terrorists are the "Radicals". The Conservatives are the majority of Muslims, often referred to as "moderates" to make them sound nicer.

No, Conservatives are not Radicals. Nowhere have I said different and above are two instances of me making the distinction between them. Embarrassing attempt to try to talk down on someone.

And why did you not question the source and point out the spots in question? I know the answer of course but I always give people chances so there you go. Go on and tell us how the Ahmadis aren't being mistreated, Apostates aren't living in fear, and all the rest. The links are on the previous page and you'll easily find them. Sources used are those crazy and mad right wing sources like the Guardian so I'm sure you can dissemble them very quickly.

Not everywhere is bloody America and even then... you are still supporting the teaching of sexism, racism, and homophobia. If the KKK wanted to teach that blacks and Jews were subhuman as per their doctrine you would no doubt be against. So why defend the Muslims? Because you're virtue signalling in the maddest possible way.

??? I quoted your statement and then destroyed it with the greatest of ease via evidence. Do you not recognise your own crazy words? Sounds like it considering the amount of times you have talked as me manufacturing quotes. If you answered in a good way and not in this lazy manner then it might make it easier on you.

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Vicente Martinez · March 22, 2017

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Vicente Martinez · March 22, 2017

"Yes, it's right-wing."

Says you?You don't have a shred of proof to back up your statement.Even if your claim of America being right wing was true,the shooting down of civilian airliners didn't have a right wing motivation.The Iraqi War was a war (not terrorism) and was motivated by a desire for oil.The Afghan War was basically the US getting revenge.

"ISIS has declared borders, Al Quaeda has a legislature, the PLO had United Nations observer status while they were terrorizing the world and like most groups to small to support a full monetary setup tend to just use dollars or Euros."

Romania was a puppet state of the USSR,to deny that is to deny reality.Brazil qualifies as a nation since it has all the qualities of a nation.Cambodia qualifies since,again has qualities of a nation.

". You certainly seem to be trying your hardest to do it, despite apparently not having the ability to do so. I'm going to continue with my statements since they're accurate. If you don't like them that's not really my problem."

You haven't provided a single shred of evidence to prove your point.If you haven't noticed I'm still focusing on 9/11.I haven't changed my point since the beginning of the debate.

"Which is precisely what I was describing as terrorism among nationstates. Thanks for the help, but I don't really need it."

If you're citing mass imprisonment in the 1980s as right wing "terrorism",it makes no sense since a great majority of those prisoners have been freed since the democratic regimes took over.Kidnapping and torture is nothing compared to flying planes into towers and killing almost 3000 people,bombing airliners,taking people hostage,bombing major cities,waging war against most of the nations in the world,shooting rockets into another nation and the list goes on.

"There's a lot of right-wing to cover."

Like those shootings that kill less than 50 people most of the time?

Also,with your point of "hundreds of thousands" of people dying during the 1980's

981

U.S. Installation Bombing, August 31, 1981: The Red Army exploded a bomb at the U.S. Air Force Base at Ramstein, West Germany.

Assassination of Egyptian President, October 6, 1981: Soldiers who were secretly members of the Takfir Wal-Hajira sect attacked and killed Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a troop review.

Murder of Missionaries, December 4, 1981: Three American nuns and one lay missionary were found murdered outside San Salvador, El Salvador. They were believed to have been assassinated by a right-wing death squad.

1982

Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, September 14, 1982: Premier Bashir Gemayel was assassinated by a car bomb parked outside his party's Beirut headquarters.

1983

Colombian Hostage-taking, April 8, 1983: A U.S. citizen was seized by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) and held for ransom.

Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut, April 18, 1983: Sixty-three people, including the CIA's Middle East director, were killed, and 120 were injured in a 400-pound suicide truck-bomb attack on the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Naval Officer Assassinated in El Salvador, May 25, 1983: A U.S. Navy officer was assassinated by the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front.

North Korean Hit Squad, October 9, 1983: North Korean agents blew up a delegation from South Korea in Rangoon, Burma, killing 21 persons and injuring 48.

Bombing of Marine Barracks, Beirut, October 23, 1983: Simultaneous suicide truck-bomb attacks were made on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon. A 12,000-pound bomb destroyed the U.S. compound, killing 242 Americans, while 58 French troops were killed when a 400-pound device destroyed a French base. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Naval Officer Assassinated in Greece, November 15, 1983: A U.S. Navy officer was shot by the November 17 terrorist group in Athens, Greece, while his car was stopped at a traffic light.

1984

Kidnapping of Embassy Official, March 16, 1984: The Islamic Jihad kidnapped and later murdered Political Officer William Buckley in Beirut, Lebanon. Other U.S. citizens not connected to the U.S. Government were seized over a succeeding 2-year period.

Restaurant Bombing in Spain, April 12, 1984: Eighteen U.S. servicemen were killed, and 83 people were injured in a bomb attack on a restaurant near a U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain.

Golden Temple Seizure, June 5, 1984: Sikh terrorists seized the Golden Temple in Amritsar, India. One hundred people died when Indian security forces retook the Sikh holy shrine.

Rajneeshee Political Food Poisoning, September 9, 1984: In the first case of bioterrorism in the U.S., the Rajneeshee religious cult (followers of Bhagwan Shri Rajneesh) contaminated restaurant salad bars in The Dalles, Oregon. The cult planned to infect residents with salmonella on election day to influence the results of county elections. A test run in September left 751 people ill or violently ill though no one died.

Assassination of Prime Minister Gandhi, October 31, 1984: The Indian premier was shot to death by members of her security force.

1985

Kidnapping of U.S. Officials in Mexico, February 7, 1985: Under the orders of narcotrafficker Rafael Cero Quintero, Drug Enforcement Administration agent Enrique Camarena Salazar and his pilot were kidnapped, tortured, and executed.

TWA Hijacking, June 14, 1985: A Trans-World Airlines flight was hijacked en route to Rome from Athens by two Lebanese Hizballah terrorists and forced to fly to Beirut. The eight crew members and 145 passengers were held for 17 days, during which one American hostage, a U.S. Navy sailor, was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the aircraft was returned to Beirut after Israel released 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.

Air India Bombing, June 23, 1985: A bomb destroyed an Air India Boeing 747 over the Atlantic, killing all 329 people aboard. Both Sikh and Kashmiri terrorists were blamed for the attack. Two cargo handlers were killed at Tokyo airport, Japan, when another Sikh bomb exploded in an Air Canada aircraft enroute to India.

Soviet Diplomats Kidnapped, September 30, 1985: In Beirut, Lebanon, Sunni terrorists kidnapped four Soviet diplomats. One was killed, but three were later released.

Achille Lauro Hijacking, October 7, 1985: Four Palestinian Liberation Front terrorists seized the Italian cruise liner in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, taking more than 700 hostages. One U.S. passenger was murdered before the Egyptian Government offered the terrorists safe haven in return for the hostages' freedom.

Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, November 23, 1985: An EgyptAir airplane bound from Athens to Malta and carrying several U.S. citizens was hijacked by the Abu Nidal Group.

1986

Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986: A Palestinian splinter group detonated a bomb as TWA Flight 840 approached Athens Airport, killing four U.S. citizens.

Berlin Discoteque Bombing, April 5, 1986: Two U.S. soldiers were killed, and 79 American servicemen were injured in a Libyan bomb attack on a nightclub in West Berlin, West Germany. In retaliation, U.S. military jets bombed targets in and around Tripoli and Benghazi.

Kimpo Airport Bombing, September 14, 1986: North Korean agents detonated an explosive device at Seoul's Kimpo Airport, killing five persons and injuring 29 others.

1987

Bus Attack, April 24, 1987: Sixteen U.S. servicemen riding in a Greek Air Force bus near Athens were injured in an apparent bombing attack, carried out by the revolutionary organization known as 17 November.

Downing of Airliner, November 29, 1987: North Korean agents planted a bomb aboard Korean Air Lines Flight 858, which subsequently crashed into the Indian Ocean.

Servicemen's Bar Attack, December 26, 1987: Catalan separatists bombed a Barcelona bar frequented by U.S. servicemen, resulting in the death of one U.S. citizen.

1988

Kidnapping of William Higgins, February 17, 1988: U.S. Marine Corps Lt. Col. W. Higgins was kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian-backed Hizballah group while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO) in southern Lebanon.

Naples USO Attack, April 14, 1988: The Organization of Jihad Brigades exploded a car bomb outside a USO Club in Naples, Italy, killing one U.S. sailor.

Attack on U.S. Diplomat in Greece, June 28, 1988: The Defense Attache of the U.S. Embassy in Greece was killed when a car bomb was detonated outside his home in Athens.

Pan Am 103 Bombing, December 21, 1988: Pan American Airlines Flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb believed to have been placed on the aircraft in Frankfurt, West Germany, by Libyan terrorists. All 259 people on board were killed.

1989

Assassination of U.S. Army Officer, April 21, 1989: The New People's Army (NPA) assassinated Col. James Rowe in Manila. The NPA also assassinated two U.S. government defense contractors in September.

Assassination of German Bank Chairman, November 30, 1989: The Red Army assassinated Deutsche Bank Chairman Alfred Herrhausen in Frankfurt.

Every terrorist attack in the 1980s since you can't be bothered to give any evidence.

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ComradeMilton · March 22, 2017

Then no it doesn't stand. Doing whataboutery with Christianity doesn't render your statement that the slavery currently going on in the middle east has nothing to do with Islam correct. I didn't say currently. You never specified a time so I naturally assumed you meant slavery in the time of the historical Caliphs ~1600-1900

Its very apt for someone who believes themselves so special they don't have a "type". I've seen plenty of your sort, though I don't believe any quite as bad as yourself. I don't consider myself to have a type because I don't believe in types. It's a bullshit thing people like you use to try to do character assassination when they can't defend their arguments anymore.

Your definitions followed by just yourself do not take precedence over the actual definitions. No idea what you refer to here.

Like I said. If the KKK you'll be against but not if it's Muslims. What a joke. I'm not going to bother with looking if the KKK is surging or not, pretty safe bet to just assume you widely wrong unless you actually provide any evidence. I'm not going to be goaded into changing my mind with your passive aggressive shit. I don't defend Islamic extremists at any point nor would I defend the KKK as it surges in membership; I leave that to the ACLU who I donate to. In addition to this I would ask to provide the terrorist attacks the KKK has done from 2000 onward. You know full well I've linked you the stats on terrorist attacks so we both know the answer here. Why even say this stupid garbage? Just silly. You've linked bullshit, sure. Nothing believable, though. I don't believe your shit anymore than you appear to believe my truth.

You're the type that'd call a Liberal Muslim a Islamophobe. Incorrect. You defend Conservatives for virtue points and the type that does that throws the rest to the wolves. I more or less defend anyone if the Constitution is supposed to be their protection and a silly little person like you thinks it shouldn't count because they're brown or have beards or whatever. Don't take my word for it. Your dismissing and uncaring for Apostates, Ahmadis, and others shown here in this thread is proof enough. I haven't spoken of the Ahmadis at all in this thread, nor denied caring about the people you so coldly keep calling apostates like a believer of extremist Islam.

Indeed, who did say you were white? Certainly wasn't me. Reread and try again. Still says I'm white. Maybe stick to things you know. Wrong as ever. I could not care less about the large majority of Muslims in Muslim countries, whatever, don't care. However the Conservative Muslims in the west are indeed to blame for all the problems with Islam in the west. Repeating it isn't going to make it true.

Does it not get through to you what you are defending? Literally defending the teaching of sexism, racism, and homophobia because its Islam. Such a thing is something you expect from the likes of Ibrahim but at least he actually is a Muslim crazy who supports ISIS. What is your excuse? I'm defending moderate and lower Muslims' freedom to practice their religion and exercise their free speech. Those being two of the very first rights protected by the Founding Fathers. I'm not defending what they say at all, I'm defending their right to say it. Like it or not (and especially if not) it's protected speech. If it were popular it wouldn't need protection.

Actually no, you are lying and projecting. Nope. You are very light on evidence and are the one who ignores evidence when presented to you. I've already explained why I'll no longer be providing you with sources. You made wild, I mean absolutely crazy claims to try to put that prison gang on the level of left wing groups in their group terrorism. Uh, no, I cited a prison gang that terrorizes people inside and outside of prison and called them members of the extreme right, not left. Again, read before you post. You need to back that up. If it is indeed true then it happened and what can be said? So pony up on these apparent events that happened or you are as you often do, lying out your arse. How about one of the two of you prove I've ever lied? I already told you I'm not doing anymore citations for you and that's not going to change no matter how much passive aggression you display.

EDIT: I rechecked before this level of crazy is bothering me. Seems that when questioned on evidence for the prison gang you responded with, "The US?" and then posted US action... which does in no way tell us what the prison gang has done. Just odd on your parts but nothing new indeed. No idea. Your replies are tediously formatted so I either remember what you're referring to or skip it.

So apparently I have manufactured your quotes have I? Quotations and lying about my beliefs, yes. Can you point this out somewhere? Sure can. I have replied to your statements in the red text. I have copy and pasted them into a quote box because how you reply is such a mess. Your replies don't even include the original text for the most part and are much more difficult to read. However they are all yours. I've checked their wiki page actually, nothing regarding these wild crazy claims of yours.

Not sure how that is a response to what was there. You have no solution and your sole interest is to attack those who want to talk about a solution. Pathetic. No idea where this comes from.

... Hehehe, bloody hell. Do you think you are clever? You have any idea how stupid you sound? Well of course not considering what you say. I'm comfortable with you calling me all sorts of stuff. You don't matter as much as you appear to believe.

No, Conservatives are not Radicals. Nowhere have I said different and above are two instances of me making the distinction between them. Embarrassing attempt to try to talk down on someone. You've said Conservatives are the ones doing this stuff while I've maintained it's radicals that we should worry about.

And why did you not question the source and point out the spots in question? I know the answer of course but I always give people chances so there you go. Go on and tell us how the Ahmadis aren't being mistreated, Apostates aren't living in fear, and all the rest. The links are on the previous page and you'll easily find them. Sources used are those crazy and mad right wing sources like the Guardian so I'm sure you can dissemble them very quickly. I skimmed your sources and don't recall what they claim.

Not everywhere is bloody America and even then... you are still supporting the teaching of sexism, racism, and homophobia. If the KKK wanted to teach that blacks and Jews were subhuman as per their doctrine you would no doubt be against. So why defend the Muslims? Because you're virtue signalling in the maddest possible way. No, I'd be for it. I've already openly said as much about Judaism, but feel free to include black people in who I'd defend as that's at least accurate.

??? I quoted your statement and then destroyed it with the greatest of ease via evidence. Do you not recognise your own crazy words? Sounds like it considering the amount of times you have talked as me manufacturing quotes. If you answered in a good way and not in this lazy manner then it might make it easier on you. I write an immense amount of stuff per day. I don't remember everything I type and your ridiculous method of replying just makes it ever less likely I'll bother reading yours or looking back to see what you're referring to.

"Yes, it's right-wing."

Says you?You don't have a shred of proof to back up your statement.Even if your claim of America being right wing was true,the shooting down of civilian airliners didn't have a right wing motivation.The Iraqi War was a war (not terrorism) and was motivated by a desire for oil.The Afghan War was basically the US getting revenge. Attack types never have political causes: they're not people, ffs.If the right wing performs an act of terror they are then terrorists.

"ISIS has declared borders, Al Quaeda has a legislature, the PLO had United Nations observer status while they were terrorizing the world and like most groups to small to support a full monetary setup tend to just use dollars or Euros."

Romania was a puppet state of the USSR,to deny that is to deny reality.Brazil qualifies as a nation since it has all the qualities of a nation.Cambodia qualifies since,again has qualities of a nation. As a puppet state or not (and of course it was) it was still a terroristic one.Brazil qualifies as terrorists due to their present amount of corrupt police forces that kill children and other innocents in the big cities quite often. Do you know which nation manufactured most of the plastic explosives used by terrorist groups during the USSR's reign? It's all from Czechoslovakian manufacture and then exported to people like Ghadaffi to then forward it on to people like the Irish Republican Army.

". You certainly seem to be trying your hardest to do it, despite apparently not having the ability to do so. I'm going to continue with my statements since they're accurate. If you don't like them that's not really my problem."

You haven't provided a single shred of evidence to prove your point.If you haven't noticed I'm still focusing on 9/11.I haven't changed my point since the beginning of the debate. I'm not focusing on that.

"Which is precisely what I was describing as terrorism among nationstates. Thanks for the help, but I don't really need it."

If you're citing mass imprisonment in the 1980s as right wing "terrorism",it makes no sense since a great majority of those prisoners have been freed since the democratic regimes took over.Kidnapping and torture is nothing compared to flying planes into towers and killing almost 3000 people,bombing airliners,taking people hostage,bombing major cities,waging war against most of the nations in the world,shooting rockets into another nation and the list goes on. You're right, kidnapping, torture, extra judicial death squads, mass detentions without charge and so forth are quite a bit worse than 9/11.

"There's a lot of right-wing to cover."

Like those shootings that kill less than 50 people most of the time? Among others, yes.

Also,with your point of "hundreds of thousands" of people dying during the 1980's

That's only if we don't include the chemical weapon ingredients we gave Saddam to use against Iran and that he also used on the Kurds. Global proxy war deaths would likely easily be in the millions.

Every terrorist attack in the 1980s since you can't be bothered to give any evidence. I read it. It's very inaccurate.

Vicente Martinez · March 22, 2017

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Vicente Martinez · March 22, 2017

"You're right, kidnapping, torture, extra judicial death squads, mass detentions without charge and so forth are quite a bit worse than 9/11."

I'm pretty sure the latter racked up a lot more damage and deaths.And 9/11 isn't the only Islamist attack,the Madrid Train bombing,Paris Attcks,Orlando Nightclub shooting,London Bombing,Chechnya Massacre(s),Second Intifada,Nord-Ost siege and Possibly the Westminster attack,and so on,terrorist attacks that happened a few hours ago tends to be much more relevant than some people who got arrested(who were later freed),tortured(which isn't deadlier than 9/11),kidnapped (which is a crime),or executed (god rest their souls,but not really worse than 9/11) in the 1970s.

"That's only if we don't include the chemical weapon ingredients we gave Saddam to use against Iran and that he also used on the Kurds. Global proxy war deaths would likely easily be in the millions."

1.You can't classify the US as right wing since it has many civil liberties that you normally don't get with right wing states.America is a liberal democracy,to deny that is to deny the reality of the situation.

2.The act was carried out by Saddam's regime,not the US,unless you want me to classify France as left wing and cite the things they've done in the middle east?Or the things that Israel has done as Zionist terrorism?Or the Cambodian genocide as left wing terrorism?

4.If you remove the acts committed by Saddam himself you can see that Islam has killed more people not just in the US,but the world.Normally whenever people are looking to see which type of terrorism is deadlier they don't look at things that happened in the 1970s and 1980s.The fact is Saddam used those weapons himself,it was his choice,not America's.

ComradeMilton · March 22, 2017

"You're right, kidnapping, torture, extra judicial death squads, mass detentions without charge and so forth are quite a bit worse than 9/11."

I'm pretty sure the latter racked up a lot more damage and deaths. It didn't. And 9/11 isn't the only Islamist attack,the Madrid Train bombing,Paris Attcks,Orlando Nightclub shooting,London Bombing,Chechnya Massacre(s),Second Intifada,Nord-Ost siege and Possibly the Westminster attack,and so on,terrorist attacks that happened a few hours ago tends to be much more relevant than some people who got arrested(who were later freed),tortured(which isn't deadlier than 9/11),kidnapped (which is a crime),or executed (god rest their souls,but not really worse than 9/11) in the 1970s. All exceeded by US sponsored state terror, though interesting you're sneaking Europe in now.

"That's only if we don't include the chemical weapon ingredients we gave Saddam to use against Iran and that he also used on the Kurds. Global proxy war deaths would likely easily be in the millions."

1.You can't classify the US as right wing since it has many civil liberties that you normally don't get with right wing states.America is a liberal democracy,to deny that is to deny the reality of the situation. The US only does centrism and right-wing.

2.The act was carried out by Saddam's regime,not the US,unless you want me to classify France as left wing and cite the things they've done in the middle east?Or the things that Israel has done as Zionist terrorism? Zionist terrorism basically stopped after 1948. Or the Cambodian genocide as left wing terrorism? France has often been left-wing or right-wing and done an immense amount of fewer things related to promoting terrorism. Israel's gotten a little right-wing of late so you can almost shoot anyone you like as if it's the Philippines.

4.If you remove the acts committed by Saddam himself you can see that Islam has killed more people not just in the US,but the world.Normally whenever people are looking to see which type of terrorism is deadlier they don't look at things that happened in the 1970s and 1980s. It's no wonder they're so bad at avoiding producing more terrorists if that's true. The fact is Saddam used those weapons himself,it was his choice,not America's. We supplied them and could've stopped him and he wasn't religious or theocratic, but thoroughly secular.

Vicente Martinez · March 23, 2017

"It didn't"

So? systematic repression by a regime that fell decades ago and terror attacks by multiple Jihadist groups across the globe are two different things,the latter is of greater relevance and is much more deadly,this is the reason why countries across the world are much more invested in targeting Islamic terrorism rather than right wing terrorism.

"All exceeded by US sponsored state terror, though interesting you're sneaking Europe in now."

Sure,if we were to look at the plain reality of the situation here,the threat of Islamic terror is much more relevant and current than any other form,if you were to look at every single terrorist attack since 1990,Islamic terrorism would still be much more deadly,what you're talking about (The Iran-Iraq War) is simply in the past.The current threat is much more relevant than a threat that has mostly died,if you're saying we should focus completely on right wing terrorism is more deadlier because of wars which had nothing to do with the left-right affair decades ago,and the actions of a repressive regime decades ago,then you are completely ignorant of the hundreds of deaths that have happened in the past few years as a result of Islamic terrorism.Open your eyes,it's only the third month of the year and hundreds of people have already died due to Islamic terrorism,compared to 0 deaths as a result of right wing terrorist attacks.What you're doing is like me telling a bunch of Liberians that small pox is much more dangerous than Ebola,meanwhile smallpox has been mostly wiped out.

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ComradeMilton · March 23, 2017

"It didn't"

So? systematic repression by a regime that fell decades ago and terror attacks by multiple Jihadist groups across the globe are two different things,the latter is of greater relevance and is much more deadly,this is the reason why countries across the world are much more invested in targeting Islamic terrorism rather than right wing terrorism. The FBI considers right-wing terrorism already more dangerous. Evil acts don't disappear with age so all the stuff I've cited is just as true now as any other time.

"All exceeded by US sponsored state terror, though interesting you're sneaking Europe in now."

Sure,if we were to look at the plain reality of the situation here,the threat of Islamic terror is much more relevant and current than any other form,if you were to look at every single terrorist attack since 1990,Islamic terrorism would still be much more deadly,what you're talking about (The Iran-Iraq War) is simply in the past.The current threat is much more relevant than a threat that has mostly died Not for our discussions; in that sense it's all important and your flippant attempts to change the dates for comparison isn't hiding them well. ,if you're saying we should focus completely on right wing terrorism is more deadlier because of wars which had nothing to do with the left-right affair decades ago,and the actions of a repressive regime decades ago,then you are completely ignorant of the hundreds of deaths that have happened in the past few years as a result of Islamic terrorism.Open your eyes,it's only the third month of the year and hundreds of people have already died due to Islamic terrorism,compared to 0 deaths(Where'd you get 0? Erdogan alone has them already into the 40,000ish range. as a result of right wing terrorist attacks.What you're doing is like me telling a bunch of Liberians that small pox is much more dangerous than Ebola,meanwhile smallpox has been mostly wiped out. Ebola tends to burn itself out with its rapid death rate. Smallpox remains a threat and if released somewhere would kill far more people. Erdogan has already kept straight right-wing violence going already.

Vicente Martinez · March 23, 2017

". The FBI considers right-wing terrorism already more dangerous. Evil acts don't disappear with age so all the stuff I've cited is just as true now as any other time."

Sure.What the FBI considers isn't very truthful compared to the hard numbers.More people have died as a result of Islamic terrorism in the US and the world since 2000 (even if you exclude 9/11).

"Where'd you get 0? Erdogan alone has them already into the 40,000ish"

Arrests,not murders,and besides,the arrests happened in 2016.

"Around 50,000 soldiers, police, judges, civil servants and teachers have been suspended or detained since the coup attempt, stirring tensions across the country of 80 million which borders Syria's chaos and is a Western ally against Islamic State."

https://www.google.com.jm/amp/in.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idINKCN0ZZ12Z

Rozalia · March 23, 2017

You never specified a time so I naturally assumed you meant slavery in the time of the historical Caliphs ~1600-1900

I don't consider myself to have a type because I don't believe in types. It's a bullshit thing people like you use to try to do character assassination when they can't defend their arguments anymore.

No idea what you refer to here.

I'm not going to be goaded into changing my mind with your passive aggressive shit. I don't defend Islamic extremists at any point nor would I defend the KKK as it surges in membership; I leave that to the ACLU who I donate to.

You've linked bullshit, sure. Nothing believable, though. I don't believe your shit anymore than you appear to believe my truth.

Incorrect.

I more or less defend anyone if the Constitution is supposed to be their protection and a silly little person like you thinks it shouldn't count because they're brown or have beards or whatever.

I haven't spoken of the Ahmadis at all in this thread, nor denied caring about the people you so coldly keep calling apostates like a believer of extremist Islam.

Still says I'm white. Maybe stick to things you know

Repeating it isn't going to make it true.

I'm defending moderate and lower Muslims' freedom to practice their religion and exercise their free speech. Those being two of the very first rights protected by the Founding Fathers. I'm not defending what they say at all, I'm defending their right to say it. Like it or not (and especially if not) it's protected speech. If it were popular it wouldn't need protection.

Uh, no, I cited a prison gang that terrorizes people inside and outside of prison and called them members of the extreme right, not left. Again, read before you post.

How about one of the two of you prove I've ever lied? I already told you I'm not doing anymore citations for you and that's not going to change no matter how much passive aggression you display.

Your replies are tediously formatted so I either remember what you're referring to or skip it.

Quotations and lying about my beliefs, yes.

No idea where this comes from.

I'm comfortable with you calling me all sorts of stuff. You don't matter as much as you appear to believe.

You've said Conservatives are the ones doing this stuff while I've maintained it's radicals that we should worry about.

I skimmed your sources and don't recall what they claim.

No, I'd be for it. I've already openly said as much about Judaism, but feel free to include black people in who I'd defend as that's at least accurate.

I write an immense amount of stuff per day. I don't remember everything I type and your ridiculous method of replying just makes it ever less likely I'll bother reading yours or looking back to see what you're referring to.

Slavery is also illegal in the gulf states and look how that is.

I can see how easy it is to think that is me referring to Caliph times... uh... no actually.

Like I would ever need to stoop to such things with you. I'm used to dealing with people who don't do rookie mistakes and actually source the statements they put forward., You on the other hand do numerous mistakes and very rarely cite anything as evidence, excusing yourself with either being too lazy or your opponent as not worth your time (which would question why you bother responding at all).

You making up your definitions on things and pushing them.

Translation: "Damn you totally got me as if I say it'd be wrong for the KKK to do it then what I've said is torn apart... but if I defend the KKK's racism then I'm a bad dude". We aren't talking Islamic extremists but Conservative Muslims, keep up. You tried to mock me as not knowing the difference and yet you're the one who keeps trying to conflate the two to try and get heat off the Conservatives.

The Global Terrorism Database is "bullshit" now. Wow. You just keep digging your hole deeper.

Not on your current laughable performance. That speaks for itself.

Again, not all places are America. Second how are those gun rights? Defend those to the death too? Just checking. You also have not a shred of evidence of your accusation of racism on my part.

And without knowing it you admit it, lol. I have directly presented the case of the Ahmadis to you several times which you have I said, dismissed and not cared about. You there just admitted you dismissed them and don't care, good job. You say you never said you never cared. True. However your complete dismissing of them to the point as you say, you never even talked about them even after being questioned on their plight several times... reveals the truth of the matter.

You seem to be having some difficulty reading. Nowhere does it accuse or even imply that you are white but I'll gladly quote myself to show that clearly.

You are so twisted it is amazing. A white guy saying the Jews are devils, wrong in Miltons world. A Muslim saying the same, dandy in Miltons world. I'm thankful for your type truly, you show how stupid and ridiculous your side is in this affair.

My claim is if it were a white guy saying/teaching the terrible stuff you'd be against but if it's a Muslim then it's dandy in your view, which is what "Miltions world" means there. As shown in your pathetic showing when asked directly "What if the KKK were doing that sort of thing? You support them like you the Conservative Muslims"... that statement is completely correct.

Making people laugh a lot with your performance isn't going to make them forget you have lost, and lost badly, on every point you've put down. Without conflating Conservatives with Radicals and Whataboutery you have zero.

Teaching young kids sexism, homophobia, and racism is not acceptable. Also like I said you'll defend Muslims but won't dare say the same garbage if it were the KKK. As for freedom of religion... lol, so many lols. I'm the one defending the freedom of religion of Liberal Muslims and those who want to leave the faith. You're defending not freedom of religion but the supramacy of Conservative Muslims to hammer Liberal Muslims, Apostates, and other sects such as the Ahmadis. They can keep their Conservative Islam alive in the desert but over here in the west it deserves to be wiped out and for Liberal Muslims to hold supremacy instead.

? Wide off the mark. Nowhere did I say the prison gang was left wing, nowhere. I didn't even question them being right wing at all. I asked you for their terrorist attacks if they are indeed a terrorist group. You provided zero and from what I've seen couldn't even if you were to try. You then confused me by going on a tirade about "US terrorism" which was completely irrelevant.

Spare us that garbage. You have no evidence and everybody knows it but hey don't worry I can do it myself. http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/BrowseBy.aspx?category=perpetrator

You cite the Aryan Brotherhood in America as a terrorist group. Searching the database 2 Aryan Brotherhoods are found. Aryan 1: Sweden. 1 attack. Attack in 1999. Aryan 2: Italy. 2 attacks. Both attacks in 1978. Your American Aryan Brotherhood is not listed. You lose.

??? I am replying like this because that is how you've replied. Replying inside quote boxes is not the norm kiddo. I normally take a quote, answer it, quote again, answer, and so form. Keeps it nice and tidy but I have no reason to bother with someone so lazy they won't even answer outside quote boxes.

No. At no point have put something in your quote box you didn't say. Not 1. However if I have then it should be all too easy for you to point it out right?

You providing no solutions naturally. How do you stop the problem we have of Conservative Islam, careful now, not Radical Islam, Conservative Islam. Radical Islam is nothing and gets solved with ease once the Conservatives are taken down. Can you provide any answer? Not a one.

You posted a lie and even tried to mock me via it. I showed with evidence (this is a tread) that you were lying and so your mocking falls on yourself. You now reply with some of the usual garbage. Didn't you want evidence of lies? There you go, a lie right there.

Radicals aren't the ones refusing to serve/not hiring Ahmadis. Radicals aren't the ones attacking/making life hell for Ahmadis/Apostates/Liberal Muslims. Radicals are a joke, a weak blunt instrument that can knock off a small number of people now and then. Without the Conservatives they would be at an end in the west with ease.

The reread them but of course that isn't a valid response as at one point I directly put the relevant info in a quote box for you to see. So again, you are lying.

Black people? Excuse me but what do they have to do with this... in fact that raises a lot of questions. Black people, a racial group, are not a religious group as Muslims and Jews are so why mention them? Ah, accusing me of being a racist again of course. I said you are interested only in virtue signalling and here you are declaring who you virtue signal for, what a joke. You're not the first to try this, the likes of Spite has tried that garbage with me too. Can you point to a single racist thing I have ever said in the last 2 years on here? Nope. Not a single instance. Your kind should learn that shouting "racist" doesn't work anymore. No one believes you unless you can actually pony up the evidence, which you can't.

Literally attacking me for the mess you do. If you didn't bloody answer inside a quote box then I wouldn't have to do this. However I'll give you a chance. This post here? Cut it up and give each a quote box and then reply to each. Do that and I'll do it in kind. Anyway... so yeah. You say so much crazy crap you don't even recognise a lot of it hence why you accuse me of making up some of the things you've said. Laughable. You know the type of person who has a hard time recognising things they have said? A liar.

ComradeMilton · March 23, 2017

". The FBI considers right-wing terrorism already more dangerous. Evil acts don't disappear with age so all the stuff I've cited is just as true now as any other time."

Sure.What the FBI considers isn't very truthful compared to the hard numbers Likely the FBI has much better data than you do..More people have died as a result of Islamic terrorism in the US and the world since 2000 (even if you exclude 9/11). Nope.

"Where'd you get 0? Erdogan alone has them already into the 40,000ish"

Arrests,not murders,and besides,the arrests happened in 2016. That's how it begins. I'm no longer going to observe any distinctions for countries or time periods from you. You vary them too much to keep straight.

"Around 50,000 soldiers, police, judges, civil servants and teachers have been suspended or detained since the coup attempt, stirring tensions across the country of 80 million which borders Syria's chaos and is a Western ally against Islamic State."

https://www.google.com.jm/amp/in.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idINKCN0ZZ12Z I don't think anyone's disputed any part of that.

I can see how easy it is to think that is me referring to Caliph times... uh... no actually. It was the second most famous period which had slavery. It's naturally going to come up.

Like I would ever need to stoop to such things with you. I'm used to dealing with people who don't do rookie mistakes and actually source the statements they put forward., You on the other hand do numerous mistakes and very rarely cite anything as evidence, excusing yourself with either being too lazy or your opponent as not worth your time (which would question why you bother responding at all). Mostly because you're not even getting this part of what I said correct.

You making up your definitions on things and pushing them. They're not made up you just don't want to accept them. Pretty big difference.

Translation: "Damn you totally got me as if I say it'd be wrong for the KKK to do it then what I've said is torn apart... but if I defend the KKK's racism then I'm a bad dude". We aren't talking Islamic extremists but Conservative Muslims, keep up. You tried to mock me as not knowing the difference and yet you're the one who keeps trying to conflate the two to try and get heat off the Conservatives. I give to the ACLU who've defended even the rights of Neo-Nazis. I don't think there is any heat on moderates.

The Global Terrorism Database is "bullshit" now. Wow. You just keep digging your hole deeper. Interesting in that I never mentioned that

Not on your current laughable performance. That speaks for itself. Funny, we're having a grand time laughing at you.

Again, not all places are America. Second how are those gun rights? Defend those to the death too? Just checking. You also have not a shred of evidence of your accusation of racism on my part. I don't really need to. You make your own racism public with seemingly every post.

And without knowing it you admit it, lol. I have directly presented the case of the Ahmadis to you several times which you have I said, dismissed and not cared about. You there just admitted you dismissed them and don't care, good job. You say you never said you never cared. True. However your complete dismissing of them to the point as you say, you never even talked about them even after being questioned on their plight several times... reveals the truth of the matter. Nope, just reveals your beliefs. I've kept my comments about them minimal.

You seem to be having some difficulty reading. Nowhere does it accuse or even imply that you are white but I'll gladly quote myself to show that clearly.I'm sure you'll do that honestly, haha.

My claim is if it were a white guy saying/teaching the terrible stuff you'd be against but if it's a Muslim then it's dandy in your view, People hold different beliefs and can defend the Constitution without getting involved with a distasteful group. which is what "Miltions world" means there. As shown in your pathetic showing when asked directly "What if the KKK were doing that sort of thing? You support them like you the Conservative Muslims"... that statement is completely correct. They also have Constitutional protection, yeah.

Making people laugh a lot with your performance isn't going to make them forget you have lost, and lost badly, on every point you've put down. Without conflating Conservatives with Radicals and Whataboutery you have zero. I'm not working on a score, I'm just talking. If you're treating this like a competition I don't know why you bother with absolutely no support.

Teaching young kids sexism, homophobia, and racism is not acceptable. Also like I said you'll defend Muslims but won't dare say the same garbage if it were the KKK. Here, "It's constitutionally protected for the KKK and Neo-Nazis to teach their children their beliefs. Happy? As for freedom of religion... lol, so many lols. I'm the one defending the freedom of religion of Liberal Muslims and those who want to leave the faith. You're defending not freedom of religion but the supremacy of Conservative Muslims to hammer Liberal Muslims, No, I'm supporting the religious freedom of each group. You're the only one so far doing it based on belief rather than it being universal in the US. Apostates, and other sects such as the Ahmadis. They can keep their Conservative Islam alive in the desert but over here in the west it deserves to be wiped out and for Liberal Muslims to hold supremacy instead. Not permitted by the Constitution. That must make you so angry!

? Wide off the mark. Nowhere did I say the prison gang was left wing, nowhere. I didn't even question them being right wing at all. I asked you for their terrorist attacks if they are indeed a terrorist group. You provided zero and from what I've seen couldn't even if you were to try. You then confused me by going on a tirade about "US terrorism" which was completely irrelevant.Both perfectly relevant examples.

Spare us that garbage. You have no evidence and everybody knows it but hey don't worry I can do it myself. http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/BrowseBy.aspx?category=perpetrator

You cite the Aryan Brotherhood in America as a terrorist group. Searching the database 2 Aryan Brotherhoods are found. Aryan 1: Sweden. 1 attack. Attack in 1999. Aryan 2: Italy. 2 attacks. Both attacks in 1978. Your American Aryan Brotherhood is not listed. You lose. It's not a game of losing or winning. Check out the Southern Poverty Law Center if you want an accurate source.

??? I am replying like this because that is how you've replied. Replying inside quote boxes is not the norm kiddo. I normally take a quote, answer it, quote again, answer, and so form. Keeps it nice and tidy but I have no reason to bother with someone so lazy they won't even answer outside quote boxes. Feel free to stop arguing with me at any point. I'll survive.

No. At no point have put something in your quote box you didn't say. Not 1. However if I have then it should be all too easy for you to point it out right? You've done it like a dozen times already that I've noticed.

You providing no solutions naturally. How do you stop the problem we have of Conservative Islam, careful now, not Radical Islam, Conservative Islam. Radical Islam is nothing and gets solved with ease once the Conservatives are taken down. Can you provide any answer? Not a one. They're protected by the Constitution too, no matter how disagreeable you find their beliefs.

You posted a lie and even tried to mock me via it. I showed with evidence (this is a tread) that you were lying and so your mocking falls on yourself. You now reply with some of the usual garbage. Didn't you want evidence of lies? There you go, a lie right there. Actually I was going to look for a fake quote, but you provided one right here. Thanks.

Radicals aren't the ones refusing to serve/not hiring Ahmadis. Radicals aren't the ones attacking/making life hell for Ahmadis/Apostates/Liberal Muslims. Radicals are a joke, a weak blunt instrument that can knock off a small number of people now and then. Without the Conservatives they would be at an end in the west with ease. Radicals are the ones in ISIS and carrying out terrorism. Ignoring it doesn't make your arguement anymore correct or will make any opinions change.

The reread them but of course that isn't a valid response as at one point I directly put the relevant info in a quote box for you to see. So again, you are lying. No idea what this refers to.

Black people? Excuse me but what do they have to do with this... in fact that raises a lot of questions. You brought that up, dude. ght t Black people, a racial group, are not a religious group as Muslims and Jews are so why mention them? I don't feel the need to respond to things I've already answered. Ah, accusing me of being a racist again of course. I said you are interested only in virtue signalling and here you are declaring who you virtue signal for, what a joke. You're not the first to try this, the likes of Spite has tried that garbage with me too. Can you point to a single racist thing I have ever said in the last 2 years on here? Nope. Not a single instance. Your kind should learn that shouting "racist" doesn't work anymore. No one believes you unless you can actually pony up the evidence, which you can't. There you are with another fake quotation.

Literally attacking me for the mess you do. If you didn't bloody answer inside a quote box then I wouldn't have to do this. However I'll give you a chance. This post here? Cut it up and give each a quote box and then reply to each. No. You can do it my way if you like. Do that and I'll do it in kind. Anyway... so yeah. You say so much crazy crap you don't even recognise a lot of it hence why you accuse me of making up some of the things you've said. Laughable. You know the type of person who has a hard time recognising things they have said? A liar. I'm not lying, your posts are just very dull and filled with bullshit so it's hard to remember what you most recently vomited up.

Rozalia · March 23, 2017

It was the second most famous period which had slavery. It's naturally going to come up.

Mostly because you're not even getting this part of what I said correct.

They're not made up you just don't want to accept them. Pretty big difference.

Interesting in that I never mentioned that

Funny, we're having a grand time laughing at you.

You make your own racism public with seemingly every post.

Nope, just reveals your beliefs. I've kept my comments about them minimal.

I'm sure you'll do that honestly, haha.

People hold different beliefs and can defend the Constitution without getting involved with a distasteful group.

I'm not working on a score, I'm just talking. If you're treating this like a competition I don't know why you bother with absolutely no support.

And? I was clearly talking of the modern day.

No idea how that connects. What am I getting wrong exactly? Be clear please.

Were that so we'd find those definitions of yours in dictionaries and yet we cannot. You made up a definition of terrorism to excuse those who destroy property and don't kill. Now here you seek to change definitions on a type of Muslim. Sorry but I don't play by your made up nonsense.

Yes you bloody did. Oh boy, how embarrassing.

In addition to this I would ask to provide the terrorist attacks the KKK has done from 2000 onward. You know full well I've linked you the stats on terrorist attacks so we both know the answer here. Why even say this stupid garbage? Just silly. Reference to when I linked you to the database showing what you were saying was nonsense

You've linked bullshit, sure. Nothing believable, though. I don't believe your shit anymore than you appear to believe my truth. Your response calling it "bullshit"

So you're lying. Again. And. Again.

We? I'd be interested to know who but if its who I think it is then I care little what those I have beaten so badly they can no longer stand up to me think. Not I believe you anyway. Even your friends I've talked to admit you're an embarrassment when it comes to political matters.

Provide a single example of said racism? As you saw fit to call me a racist over black people lets go with that. Show a single instance of racism against them. Just one. You have nothing and everybody knows it.

You talk as if saying minimal things doesn't speak for a lot. I've dealt as I've said before with your kind, a great many times in fact. For example when I posted a thread on Apostates with articles about their plight as evidence not a single one of your type actually addressed the issue. They cared not. Instead they spent their time referring to me as a racist for bringing it up.

What is funny about me quoting myself to show you were lying? Just bizarre.

Not sure what relevance that has. Still claiming I called you white? Or you dropped that without saying anything?

You really know nothing about me if you think me being alone in a convo bothers me. I'm used to debating half a dozen people on my own and coming out on top regardless. I've had no competition in a long time so I'm killing some time slapping you about. No more than that.

There we have it folks. A Conservative Muslim, KKK, and Nazi supporter who believes that children should be taught Jews are subhuman, that homosexuals should be killed, and that women should be slaves to men. Disgusting. I have to admit it surprises me that you'd actually admit it. Yeah we're done now, no more responding to every little thing to destroy you on every point.

Edited March 23, 2017 by Rozalia

ComradeMilton · March 23, 2017

And? I was clearly talking of the modern day. There was nothing clear about it and I'm allowed to talk about what I want just as you are.

No idea how that connects. What am I getting wrong exactly? Be clear please. You'll just need to be more careful in the future if you expect a response.

Were that so we'd find those definitions of yours in dictionaries and yet we cannot. Dictionaries aren't what's used in political science to define the terms. You made up a definition of terrorism to excuse those who destroy property and don't kill. No, I didn't, it's a commonly accepted definition held by people who aren't so mentally ill that they think some vandalism is equivalent to actually killing people. Now here you seek to change definitions on a type of Muslim. Sorry but I don't play by your made up nonsense. It's okay, you're so wrong so frequently this time will probably be overlooked in no time. No one really expects much from you.

So you're lying. Again. And. Again. I haven't been shown to have lied once, let alone multiple times.hkind of dumb shit people revert to in high school. You're so embarrassing I'm not surprised absolutely no one is here to defend you or your ridiculous beliefs.

You talk as if saying minimal things doesn't speak for a lot. I've dealt as I've said before with your kind, And I'll point out again I don't really have a kind. a great many times in fact. For example when I posted a thread on Apostates with articles about their plight as evidence not a single one of your type actually addressed the issue. I don't have a type and no one else seems willing to even bother talking to you about your poorly defined definitions or arguments. Instead they spent their time referring to me as a racist for bringing it up.

What is funny about me quoting myself to show you were lying? Just bizarre. It's not just ridiculous claims like that, it's that that's pretty much the only thing you do is make stuff up and then debate it as if it were said by someone other than you. It's very amusing.

Not sure what relevance that has. Still claiming I called you white? Or you dropped that without saying anything? Yes, you called me white.

You really know nothing about me if you think me being alone in a convo bothers me. I'm used to debating half a dozen people on my own and coming out on top regardless. I've had no competition in a long time so I'm killing some time slapping you about. No more than that. You're failing so much you must have delusions to actually believe this stuff.

There we have it folks. A Conservative Muslim, KKK, and Nazi supporter who believes that children should be taught Jews are subhuman, that homosexuals should be killed, and that women should be slaves to men. Disgusting. I have to admit it surprises me that you'd actually admit it. Yeah we're done now, no more responding to every little thing to destroy you on every point. All lies. Impressive. You asked if I'd defend their Constitutional rights and I said I absolutely would. Frankly anyone would who actually believes in this county's freedoms.

Absolutely does not mean I support any of their beliefs as I already clarified, but maybe i you need it repeated a few times so you'd stop looking so ridiculous making up quotes again (or in this specific case just jumping to conclusions that aren't present)

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