Sans Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Seems legit, have fun warring you two. Quote “ Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. †–The First Ideal of the Windrunners, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diocletian Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 An already beaten opponent, much bravery here, SK. Lel 3 Quote "The happiness of the people, and the peace of the empire, and the glory of the reign are linked with the fortune of the Army." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted January 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2017 It's ok tho Rhouse, because Pre has already rebuilt so you guys should be all set. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Hippo Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 An already beaten opponent, much bravery here, SK. Lel prob should blame that on your leader for going around threatening others bud. 4 Quote ^oo^ (..) () () ()__() Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 SK militarization: 67% soldiers, 42% tanks, 77% air TEST militarization: 9% soldiers, 4% tanks, 15% air Lol this is a fair point and I can't help but rep one of my favorite sketches. The risk though, and the implication on their part, wasn't so much immediate military action if we don't respond, but an attack after they finished building up to full power. At which point I'll admit that we would be in much more dire straights. Quote Archduke Tyrell, Lord of Highgarden, Lord Paramount of the Reach, Warden of the South, Breaker of Forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I'm so confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosmokenny Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Gonna stick with this talking point? They reached peace after 2 days of fighting before we, polaris, nights watch and loarderon were going to blitz. I don't know why things were resolved to fast, I wasn't in those talks. But I don't think its unreasonable to expect allies who were caught unprepared to take a few days to militarize (I admit we were woefully unprepared for that) and then hit when they have the chance to actually change the impact of the war. In this case things were wrapped up almost immediately before that could happen. Its not literally a direct threat in the same way the typical "hate to see something happen to this place" isn't technically either. No its just, you know, we'll build back up from this in a bit. When that happens we'll want to start a new war. You'll be really popular as a target if you don't give this back. But if you do give it back I bet you wont be so popular. Its not exactly subtle in its implications. I'm not, to be clear, offering any righteous indignation or moral anger over this. Its a lot of money to lose and its not unreasonable to want to try and get it back, even if it was legitimately raided. This is, after all, a game of politics. And so he chose a political gamble. Will be back down under the threat of force or not? Given the perception people have we were scared of them before, and given even a winning war stands to do more damage to us than what you asked for, its not unreasonable to think we might choose to surrender the resources. Maybe other alliances would. Maybe we would with other leaders or in other circumstances, though I doubt it. But it any case this time we chose not to. Now we either let your suggested course of events - wherein you recover from the papers war, look to start a new one, and choose the overwhelmingly popular SK option - take place, or we start that war now. This is not a "good" fight. This is not a "fair" fight. We are not looking to demonstrate our military power or anything (how could this be so given the militarization disparities?) We're just speeding up the options you gave us so we can get it over with now rather than later. Eh, yeah, a bit of a reach to take that as a threat because theres no way that would be a more popular idea in TEst than hitting Alpha for the 5000000000th time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Eh, yeah, a bit of a reach to take that as a threat because theres no way that would be a more popular idea in TEst than hitting Alpha for the 5000000000th time. Are we making another thread about Alpha? I'm in! HELLO JAMES 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen M II Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatnate Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 -snip- Cause this will make TEst less likely to go after you in the future, right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James II Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Are we making another thread about Alpha? I'm in! HELLO JAMES FOR STEVE Quote "Most successful new AA" - Samuel Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) It's ok tho Rhouse, because Pre has already rebuilt so you guys should be all set. This made me lol Edited January 30, 2017 by Nemesis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidude45454 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Prefontaine - Yesterday at 1:21 PM So the war is ending tonight. We've had several spats of raiding and counter raiding with the war going on. My question is would you like to end that or have it continue? Clover - Yesterday at 1:24 PM well I mean it's not really doing either of us any good we of course will end it if the raids stop So you ended it hmm? Provide the full chat logs, please. We stopped and expected you to stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpiggyfoofoo Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 O boy another war. Plz let me play plz let me play Quote Order fresh quality ads, flags, and graphics at Makin'Bacon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sargun Posted January 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) As far as I know plans to attack you were never put into play and I for one basically forgot about SK once my splinter started. Eh, yeah, a bit of a reach to take that as a threat because theres no way that would be a more popular idea in TEst than hitting Alpha for the 5000000000th time. -image removed for filter evasion- Edited January 30, 2017 by Alex Filter Evasion 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidude45454 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 lmao what I think we already all know this so I don't need to include the image, so thatsbait.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) lmao what I think we already all know this so I don't need to include the image, so thatsbait.gif I made you an image for you to shitpost with Edited January 30, 2017 by Sargun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ungawa Jones Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) -image removed for filter evasion- Edited January 30, 2017 by Alex Filter Evasion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tywin Lannister Posted January 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2017 To think I wanted to join Seven Kingdoms once. What have you guys fallen to. You didn't attack when Valyria needed you and ignored your obligations, but when TEst was undergoing different changes in members leaving and splinters, you guys jumped them very proudly. If we're to go by your logic, you might hit TEst now, but in future, I'm very sure SK will receive a visit from them. Have fun rolling a rolled alliance at the moment and pretending to achieve something, that's literally all you guys can do anyway at the moment since other side has alliances like Mensa which wipe the floor with you every time! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebear Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) You didn't attack when Valyria needed you and ignored your obligations, but when TEst was undergoing different changes in members leaving and splinters, you guys jumped them very proudly. If we had requested them to join they would have done so without a second of hesitation, and they made that fact very clear to us at the time. We decided as an alliance not to call them in. Absolutely ridiculous that people believe we were pleading and begging for help and SK refused. if they had betrayed us like that do you really think we would have merged into them? Edited January 30, 2017 by Bluebear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Lannister Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 If we had requested them to join, they would have done so without a second of hesitation, and they made that fact very clear to us at the time. We decided as an alliance not to call them in. Absolutely ridiculous that people believe we were pleading and begging for help and SK refused. if they had betrayed us like that do you really think we would have merged into them? I never said Valyria wanted SK to come, but rather they needed to do so, easy on the assumptions mate. You guys got rolled and humiliated. Polaris had taken out Arrgh and if SK had entered and warred TEst, along with updeclares from your allies, you guys had a good chance to actually turn it into something. You literally missed out on the chance to become a real potential 3rd sphere force due to SK being too scared back then and have ended up as a joke instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebear Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I never said Valyria wanted SK to come, but rather they needed to do so, easy on the assumptions mate. You guys got rolled and humiliated. Polaris had taken out Arrgh and if SK had entered and warred TEst, along with updeclares from your allies, you guys had a good chance to actually turn it into something. You literally missed out on the chance to become a real potential 3rd sphere force due to SK being too scared back then and have ended up as a joke instead. Polaris had taken out Arrgh? Pretty sure you are confusing two situations there. And thanks for your interpretation of the situation, but we had quite a different one. Like Mikey said before, SK was not very militarized, and we came to the conclusion (accurate in my opinion) that calling them in to attack you guys would have resulted in their being rolled. Valyria undoubtedly would have taken more damage had we called them in, and we decided that it was foolish to make a decision that would result in more damage to us and our allies when in reality we wanted to make decisions that achieved the opposite. "and if SK had entered and warred TEst, along with updeclares from your allies" Who are these mysterious allies you speak of that would have joined SK and turned the tide against you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placentica Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Are we making another thread about Alpha? I'm in! HELLO JAMES "no" Did I do that right? That's my first time, so I'm not sure if I'm doing it right, mate. But it kinda hurt to type that. Also, stop liking his post......James......and Antifa. 3 Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyro Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 I don't really see this message as a threat as so much an inevitability, which Pre was pointing out. You steal 500 mil from someone and there's gonna be enough salt for a mother!@#$in snow storm. TEst is decently democratic and having a valid reason to attack someone makes it easy for the majority of members to want a bit of payback after being stomped so hard. True warriors would have waited a few weeks so we could duke it out for real. As a former SK member, this disappoints me. Good luck on the battlefield. 3 Quote I am the storm, my lord. The first storm, and the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Lannister Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Polaris had taken out Arrgh? Pretty sure you are confusing two situations there. And thanks for your interpretation of the situation, but we had quite a different one. Like Mikey said before, SK was not very militarized, and we came to the conclusion (accurate in my opinion) that calling them in to attack you guys would have resulted in their being rolled. Valyria undoubtedly would have taken more damage had we called them in, and we decided that it was foolish to make a decision that would result in more damage to us and our allies when in reality we wanted to make decisions that achieved the opposite. "and if SK had entered and warred TEst, along with updeclares from your allies" Who are these mysterious allies you speak of that would have joined SK and turned the tide against you? Ohh, right. I think Polaris came in a later war against Arrgh and took them out! Alpha one I think. They had a treaty with you too from what I remember (please correct if I'm wrong) so that establishes Polaris could have handled Arrgh. Rest, your Valyria, Polaris again, SK, Dragonstone, Night's Watch, WTF via ODP and Order of White Rose(who you protected and we originally hit) could have taken TEst out slowly. Majority of you were out of TEst range so really damage was already minimized in that sense. Valyria had eaten most of what it could, your big nations already lost their most expensive infra at the top and rest were out of range. So really, all you had to do was pick TEst nations off a few each time, and give it a swift death. The problem with this was SK would've taken considerable hitting at their upper tier, something they clearly were scared of. Other than that, you guys could've won. Some people in TEst I remember voiced such concerns even, but I told them that you guys neither have the guts or ability to make that happen. I would've loved to be proven wrong. Yet here we stand, with the doom of Valyira. All I'm saying is, when SK actually had a change at greatness, they slept through it. It's gone now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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