Administrators Alex Posted December 25, 2016 Administrators Share Posted December 25, 2016 I'm inclined to make this change because of the new buff to spies and their ability to kill enemy units. Being able to take 3 espionage operations a day, a single update could yield between 6-30% of (presumably your aircraft) killed. I think that will be a significant hindrance to nations trying to recover on beige, and imo it makes sense to protect them from that. But before I add that change into the update, I just wanted to make a post to see what the initial feedback was. Thoughts? 1 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woot Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 You'd also prevent the beiged nation from doing espionage, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodo Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 You'd also prevent the beiged nation from doing espionage, right? This. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted December 25, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted December 25, 2016 You'd also prevent the beiged nation from doing espionage, right? Correct. 1 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 If we had the current system still, I'd agree. New system encourages beiging while also making it quicker to beige. I'm unsure if I'd like this or not. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woot Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) My only worry is that everyone in a losing alliance might end up being in beige so often we can barely spy them. Could gather intelligence and/or sabotage missiles/nukes be allowed to pass through beige? Edited December 25, 2016 by Woot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 My only worry is that everyone in a losing alliance might end up being in beige so often we can barely spy them. Could gather intelligence and/or sabotage be allowed to pass through beige? First assumptions would be ALL espionage operations would be off....but If I do recall correctly intelligence doesn't count for a nation's attempts? So would that just be allowed? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigInZen Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Seems to me that these proposed changes haven't been thoroughly thought out and this is simply a patch to something that will obviously be broken. Alex, I seriously hope you have a whiteboard with post it notes with which you've been looking at the logic structure of your rule changes! Quote Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 You should've added this back when you added spys tbh. 1 Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Good idea if gather intelligence is still always allowed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Rabbit Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I think this makes sense. It's in the spirit of the mechanic to protect the beige nation. Still allowing gather intelligence would be ideal. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooner Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Imo: -Gathering intelligence/killing spies/killing nukes/missiles should be allowed during beige -Killing soldiers/airplanes/tanks should be disabled during beige Quote ☾☆ High Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf the Second Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Smashing someone's conventional military during beige using spies seems pretty unfair: I think you should go for the change. However, I'm also agreed with Spooner, leave spies/intelligence/nuke/missile spying alone as they aren't affected by the 6-30% buff anyways. Edited December 25, 2016 by Beowulf the Second 2 Quote 01:58:39 <BeowulftheSecond> Belisarius of The Byzantine Empire has sent your nation $0.00, 0.00 food, 0.00 coal, 0.00 oil, 0.00 uranium, 0.00 lead, 0.00 iron, 0.00 bauxite, 0.00 gasoline, 0.00 munitions, 1,000.00 steel, and 0.00 aluminum from the alliance bank of Rose.01:58:46 <BeowulftheSecond> someone please explain 01:59:12 <%Belisarius> sleep deprivatin is a !@#$ @_@01:59:14 — %Belisarius shrugs01:59:18 <BeowulftheSecond> we're at WAR. WE ARE BURNING EACH OTHER'S PIXELS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooner Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 *fistbump* Quote ☾☆ High Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alex Posted December 25, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted December 25, 2016 I like Spooner's idea, but I think I'll wait and implement this and some other spy changes in the next update. 1 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooner Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Thanks Sheepster, I thrive on validation. 1 Quote ☾☆ High Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakyr Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Personally, I'm of the opinion that only Gather Intelligence should be allowed by Beige nations and when targeting Beige nations. All other espionage actions should be disabled. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintendo Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I agree with those saying allow the gather intel, but disabling others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avruch Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I agree with those saying allow the gather intel, but disabling others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooves Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I agree with those saying allow the gather intel, but disabling others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 One addition. If you are at war with someone who is in beige, you can spy them like normal. 2 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Snow Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Good idea if gather intelligence is still always allowed I think this makes sense. It's in the spirit of the mechanic to protect the beige nation. Still allowing gather intelligence would be ideal. Personally, I'm of the opinion that only Gather Intelligence should be allowed by Beige nations and when targeting Beige nations. All other espionage actions should be disabled. I agree with those saying allow the gather intel, but disabling others. I agree with those saying allow the gather intel, but disabling others. I agree with those saying allow the gather intel, but disabling others. echoing the sentiment that beiged nations should be protected from all spy ops other than Gather Intelligence. Otherwise you're just making a broken nation have even less of a chance to fight back (besides wasn't this always the rule?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Me Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 One addition. If you are at war with someone who is in beige, you can spy them like normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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