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[Rozalia]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/28/ohio-state-university-campus-shooting
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ohio-university-shooting-idUSKBN13N1KI
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/737593/Ohio-state-university-attacker-Abdul-Razak-Ali-Artan-Somali-refugee

 

Worth noting that Liberal news sites (at least some I've visited) seem to be be trying to hide the story by either listing it as a minor of story or moving it a category such as "crime". Thats what happens when something is inconvenient to the narrative.

 

The attacker did NOT use a gun (car and then knife), was a Muhammadan, and a refugee which proves the below to be a very apt. A brave policeman shot him dead before he could do any further damage. Sorry but as we've been saying about these refugees:

 

 

Even with so much broken in their usual narrative I have seen Liberal attempts as always to make the criminal out to be a victim and of course... that Trump is somehow to blame. I think these sort of people will soon learn that very soon they won't be dealing with weaklings such as Obama or say Bernie Sanders.

 

Discuss folks and I know some of you are ready to attack me for posting this but try to focus on the criminal and his act please.

[Caecus]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/28/ohio-state-university-campus-shooting

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ohio-university-shooting-idUSKBN13N1KI

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/737593/Ohio-state-university-attacker-Abdul-Razak-Ali-Artan-Somali-refugee

 

Worth noting that Liberal news sites (at least some I've visited) seem to be be trying to hide the story by either listing it as a minor of story or moving it a category such as "crime". Thats what happens when something is inconvenient to the narrative.

 

The attacker did NOT use a gun (car and then knife), was a Muhammadan, and a refugee which proves the below to be a very apt. A brave policeman shot him dead before he could do any further damage. Sorry but as we've been saying about these refugees:

 

 

Even with so much broken in their usual narrative I have seen Liberal attempts as always to make the criminal out to be a victim and of course... that Trump is somehow to blame. I think these sort of people will soon learn that very soon they won't be dealing with weaklings such as Obama or say Bernie Sanders.

 

Discuss folks and I know some of you are ready to attack me for posting this but try to focus on the criminal and his act please.

 

It was on the front page of my news feed, and ironically the first news network that reported this wasn't Fox. 

 

Also, we don't know if he is a refugee. Even unconfirmed reports says he's a permanent resident who was born outside of the US. 

 

I don't know why you think Trump is somehow going to be different from Obama and actually be able to single-handedly prevent these kinds of things. 

[Sailor Jerry]

 

I don't know why you think Trump is somehow going to be different from Obama and actually be able to single-handedly prevent these kinds of things. 

 

Because he promised he would.....duh!!!!! He'll do it with his laser eyes and buzz-saw hands!

[Caecus]

Because he promised he would.....duh!!!!! He'll do it with his laser eyes and buzz-saw hands!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaivPwkX8Zs

[Clarke]

It was on the front page of my news feed, and ironically the first news network that reported this wasn't Fox. 

 

Also, we don't know if he is a refugee. Even unconfirmed reports says he's a permanent resident who was born outside of the US. 

 

I don't know why you think Trump is somehow going to be different from Obama and actually be able to single-handedly prevent these kinds of things. 

How is it ironic? 

[WISD0MTREE]

Don't forget that both the president of Mothers Demand Action and a US Senator both Tweeted about more gun control before the event was even over. And I thought the NRA was supposed to be the monster here. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, remember how nobody is coming for our guns and everyone just wants common sense gun control? I 'member! 

 

Edited November 30, 2016 by WISD0MTREE

[Ogaden]

"Muhammadan"? Seriously?

 

The thing that gets me about the far right is they're always egging each other on.  After every massacre it's more insults.  It's not just the American right either, every time our side bombs a wedding or something it's the same crap but in Arabic.

Edited November 30, 2016 by Ogaden

[Rozalia]

It was on the front page of my news feed, and ironically the first news network that reported this wasn't Fox. 

 

Also, we don't know if he is a refugee. Even unconfirmed reports says he's a permanent resident who was born outside of the US. 

 

I don't know why you think Trump is somehow going to be different from Obama and actually be able to single-handedly prevent these kinds of things. 

 

Hence the word "some" instead of "all". Don't see why Fox is worth name dropping either.

 

All the reports I read on the day were saying Refugee so I put it.

 

You can't prevent everything no but you can be safe, smart, and strong unlike Obama.

 

"Muhammadan"? Seriously?

 

The thing that gets me about the far right is they're always egging each other on.  After every massacre it's more insults.  It's not just the American right either, every time our side bombs a wedding or something it's the same crap but in Arabic.

 

I've taken it as a good method to distinguish between the good ones and the bad. The bad ones are the type who tell us Muhammad was perfect, defend his bad actions, and go more by the Hadith than the Quran. As they seem to worship Muhammad as their idol I think it apt.

 

What a useless term far-right is. Simply being against Muhammadan fanatics instantly makes you far-right, forget everything else.

[Ogaden]

Well for starters the religion isn't called Muhammedanism, it's called Islam.

 

Shooting or stabbing people for no reason is not limited to Islamic people, it's pretty much a human trait found in every culture on Earth.  Dylan Roof wasn't a Muslim but that didn't stop him shooting a bunch of people for stupid ideological reasons.

[Auctor]

Yeah, we should bring in a more representative sampling of mass killers from all around the world. It's not fair that we don't have basque, irish republican, aum shinrikyo, and shining path motivated attacks in the US.

Edited November 30, 2016 by Auctor

[Caecus]

Hence the word "some" instead of "all". Don't see why Fox is worth name dropping either.

 

All the reports I read on the day were saying Refugee so I put it.

 

You can't prevent everything no but you can be safe, smart, and strong unlike Obama.

 

 

I've taken it as a good method to distinguish between the good ones and the bad. The bad ones are the type who tell us Muhammad was perfect, defend his bad actions, and go more by the Hadith than the Quran. As they seem to worship Muhammad as their idol I think it apt.

 

What a useless term far-right is. Simply being against Muhammadan fanatics instantly makes you far-right, forget everything else.

 

 

So, what exactly would Trump do differently than Obama? What does it mean to be "safe, smart and strong?" More specifically, are we not already "safe, smart, and strong?" 

 

Fox is worth name dropping because Fox news is typically all over this kind of stuff and how it relates to failures of the Obama administration. Their top game was when the Orlando shooting happened and they had McCain on saying that Obama had killed those people because he pulled out of Iraq. Don't know why they didn't jump on this shit like they used to. 

[Rozalia]

Well for starters the religion isn't called Muhammedanism, it's called Islam.

 

Shooting or stabbing people for no reason is not limited to Islamic people, it's pretty much a human trait found in every culture on Earth.  Dylan Roof wasn't a Muslim but that didn't stop him shooting a bunch of people for stupid ideological reasons.

 

Point? It ain't called Muslimism either. 

 

Being against the likes of the Irish Republicans, Aum Shinrikyo, or any other such group does not make you far right. Only that particular group makes you far right by opposing.

 

So, what exactly would Trump do differently than Obama? What does it mean to be "safe, smart and strong?" More specifically, are we not already "safe, smart, and strong?" 

 

Fox is worth name dropping because Fox news is typically all over this kind of stuff and how it relates to failures of the Obama administration. Their top game was when the Orlando shooting happened and they had McCain on saying that Obama had killed those people because he pulled out of Iraq. Don't know why they didn't jump on this shit like they used to. 

 

It means to do what must be done no matter how loud cowardly Progressives shout "Racist", "Bigot", "Islamophobe", or whatever else. Obama and the west in general is unsafe, stupid, and weak on the matter so no. He could ban people from that dangerous part of the world for a start.

 

Considering in the election that went Fox was the most fair of the MSM networks (I'd have said unimaginable if I hadn't seen that type of coordinated tidal wave of media attack before) perhaps that behaviour of their's is continuing, who knows.

[Caecus]

Considering in the election that went Fox was the most fair of the MSM networks (I'd have said unimaginable if I hadn't seen that type of coordinated tidal wave of media attack before) perhaps that behaviour of their's is continuing, who knows.

 

Did you hear that from Fox? 

 

 

It means to do what must be done no matter how loud cowardly Progressives shout "Racist", "Bigot", "Islamophobe", or whatever else. Obama and the west in general is unsafe, stupid, and weak on the matter so no. He could ban people from that dangerous part of the world for a start.

 

But we have just established that the person in this incident was not a refugee. Same in the Orlando shooting. And the San Bernardino shooting. The people who are committing these acts of terrorism are already here, not people who were refugees from Syria. 

 

Here is how you be strong and fix the problem. Let's just register all Muslims, round them up and put them into "liberty villages." And then start deporting them. And when we can't deport them anymore, let's gas 'em. I'm sure there are still historical records on what the Nazi's used, they had a pretty efficient system going. Unless you see Trump doing that anytime soon, banning an entire part of the world won't work. 

[Rozalia]

Did you hear that from Fox? 

 

But we have just established that the person in this incident was not a refugee. Same in the Orlando shooting. And the San Bernardino shooting. The people who are committing these acts of terrorism are already here, not people who were refugees from Syria. 

 

Here is how you be strong and fix the problem. Let's just register all Muslims, round them up and put them into "liberty villages." And then start deporting them. And when we can't deport them anymore, let's gas 'em. I'm sure there are still historical records on what the Nazi's used, they had a pretty efficient system going. Unless you see Trump doing that anytime soon, banning an entire part of the world won't work. 

 

No, its whats called an observation. Outside a few of their guys Fox couldn't go all in on Trump and hit him too. You can still say they were biased sure, but compared to the rest which were biased to such titanic degrees they get the most fair certainly.

 

You forget that Trump's "ban people coming from those areas" would have stopped that crazy if it had been in place.

 

The two options apparently are let them all in or genocide, no in between. No wonder no one listens to such drivel anymore outside the true believers, ridiculous nonsense.

[Caecus]

No, its whats called an observation. Outside a few of their guys Fox couldn't go all in on Trump and hit him too. You can still say they were biased sure, but compared to the rest which were biased to such titanic degrees they get the most fair certainly.

 

You forget that Trump's "ban people coming from those areas" would have stopped that crazy if it had been in place.

 

The two options apparently are let them all in or genocide, no in between. No wonder no one listens to such drivel anymore outside the true believers, ridiculous nonsense.

 

I'm just saying, you want to fix this problem once and for all, there is only one way, and banning them isn't enough. 

 

This idea that somehow Obama is weak and Trump is going to solve this problem once and for all is simply ridiculous. With screening as strong as it is and quota-based immigration (which in itself is contentious), you can't insinuate Obama is somehow complacent or passive about the issue of keeping terrorists out of the US considering that the incidents involve people who were already here who were radicalized via the internet. 

 

You can also solve this by erasing the internet, but where would you go to have titillating arguments with me?

[Rozalia]

I'm just saying, you want to fix this problem once and for all, there is only one way, and banning them isn't enough. 

 

This idea that somehow Obama is weak and Trump is going to solve this problem once and for all is simply ridiculous. With screening as strong as it is and quota-based immigration (which in itself is contentious), you can't insinuate Obama is somehow complacent or passive about the issue of keeping terrorists out of the US considering that the incidents involve people who were already here who were radicalized via the internet. 

 

You can also solve this by erasing the internet, but where would you go to have titillating arguments with me?

 

I'm not going to go into specifics because naturally you don't care anyway. There is a lot that can be done instead of committing genocide as you are advocating.

 

Next you'll be telling me Hollande is really tough on the issue too. To people used to weakness I suppose I can see how it'd look strong.

[Caecus]

I'm not going to go into specifics because naturally you don't care anyway. There is a lot that can be done instead of committing genocide as you are advocating.

 

Next you'll be telling me Hollande is really tough on the issue too. To people used to weakness I suppose I can see how it'd look strong.

 

No, please do. I'm genuinely interested in a policy in which you think can solve radicalism and how Donald Trump is going to do that. 

 

Beyond obvious concerns of masculinity, I still don't understand how an immigration policy which has not produced any radical terrorists is still "weak"

[Rozalia]

No, please do. I'm genuinely interested in a policy in which you think can solve radicalism and how Donald Trump is going to do that. 

 

Beyond obvious concerns of masculinity, I still don't understand how an immigration policy which has not produced any radical terrorists is still "weak"

 

I've talked about tackling the issue within their communities before many times.

 

You should be careful with those absolutes.

[Caecus]

I've talked about tackling the issue within their communities before many times.

 

You should be careful with those absolutes.

 

Well, ok, the absolute is an exaggeration, I'm sure there is some obscure case where a Syrian refugee did something batshit. 

 

But let's be honest, Muslims watching over Muslims? That's like electing a woman who has been in public service for 30+ years to drain the swamp, it's counter productive and doesn't work. That's why we elected Trump right? 

 

But Muslims aren't the only problem. We also have Dylann Roof, a redneck evangelical. Now, we can't ban evangelicals from coming to the US, because they are already all here. But we can ban them from reproducing, as a means of banning them from more of them entering into the country. Knowing evangelical rednecks, condoms isn't going to help. So let's put estrogen and progesterone into the water and hope the guys don't grow boobs. 

[Clarke]

 

But Muslims aren't the only problem. We also have Dylann Roof, a redneck evangelical. Now, we can't ban evangelicals from coming to the US, because they are already all here. 

Unless you're saying a lot of Muslims are mentally ill ( I linked stats before showing like half of Muslims are inbred because of their traditions, in some countries most of the population) then its not really a counter point.

Since you don't know enough then I shall agree with you and place Muslims in the same bracket as mentally ill people, I don't think I want problematic people coming over, nah I rather they stay where they're. 

Edited December 1, 2016 by Lightning

[Rozalia]

Well, ok, the absolute is an exaggeration, I'm sure there is some obscure case where a Syrian refugee did something batshit. 

 

But let's be honest, Muslims watching over Muslims? That's like electing a woman who has been in public service for 30+ years to drain the swamp, it's counter productive and doesn't work. That's why we elected Trump right? 

 

But Muslims aren't the only problem. We also have Dylann Roof, a redneck evangelical. Now, we can't ban evangelicals from coming to the US, because they are already all here. But we can ban them from reproducing, as a means of banning them from more of them entering into the country. Knowing evangelical rednecks, condoms isn't going to help. So let's put estrogen and progesterone into the water and hope the guys don't grow boobs. 

 

Muslims watching Muslims was not what I had as the main point, in fact I don't think I even gave attention to that. My suggested policy is to take away these special protections and let Islam be treated like other religions and to protect Apostates which is a group Liberals have in essence condemned to a living hell (if they don't get killed anyway) because Muslims are more important of a minority group to them.

 

Evangelicals are in no way comparable in threat to Islamists. We don't speak much about other groups because Islam is the overwhelming issue and until you sort that one out then there is no hope for the rest, after all the protection of Islam if anything has only fuelled the creation of other types of extremists (beyond their own).

Edited December 1, 2016 by Rozalia

[Caecus]

Unless you're saying a lot of Muslims are mentally ill ( I linked stats before showing like half of Muslims are inbred because of their traditions, in some countries most of the population) then its not really a counter point.

Since you don't know enough then I shall agree with you and place Muslims in the same bracket as mentally ill people, I don't think I want problematic people coming over, nah I rather they stay where they're. 

 

Ah! Finally! We are in agreement. Let's start petitioning for the government to register Evangelicals and distribute mandatory contraception. Oh, and deny them healthcare so they die out faster. 

 

While we're at it, let's lump poor people into that bracket as well. Poor are more likely to commit crimes, so let's chemically castrate them too. Burn their bodies as a fuel source. Oh, and those damn West Virginians, inbred af. I hear they burn particularly well, with all the chicken grease deposited on their asses. 

 

 

Muslims watching Muslims was not what I had as the main point, in fact I don't think I even gave attention to that. My suggested policy is to take away these special protections and let Islam be treated like other religions and to protect Apostates which is a group Liberals have in essence condemned to a living hell (if they don't get killed anyway) because Muslims are more important of a minority group to them.

 

Evangelicals are in no way comparable in threat to Islamists. We don't speak much about other groups because Islam is the overwhelming issue and until you sort that one out then there is no hope for the rest, after all the protection of Islam if anything has only fuelled the creation of other types of extremists (beyond their own).

 

I still don't understand what you are trying to do. If Islam is a cancer, why haven't we excised it from American society? That's what you are saying right? "the protection of Islam... has only fueled the creation of other types of extremists." 

 

According to you, Islam is by nature an aggressive extremist religion that only fuels extremism in other people. For god's sake, just gas them already, this discussion is a waste of time. Start a god damn crusade and eliminate the Muslims already. That's the only way to stop terror and extremism right? 

[Rozalia]

I still don't understand what you are trying to do. If Islam is a cancer, why haven't we excised it from American society? That's what you are saying right? "the protection of Islam... has only fueled the creation of other types of extremists." 

 

According to you, Islam is by nature an aggressive extremist religion that only fuels extremism in other people. For god's sake, just gas them already, this discussion is a waste of time. Start a god damn crusade and eliminate the Muslims already. That's the only way to stop terror and extremism right? 

 

I do wonder if you actually think you're on to something with that. Seen that type of thing many times, on this forum even. The narrative is that people who oppose X on Y grounds are not honest, that it is racism pure and simple and all that. Such thinking of yours is why you aren't as smart as you think you are as you simply cannot distinguish all the pieces on the board for what they really are. 

 

Nothing makes me happier when it comes to politics then to have successful and integrated immigrants who love their new country. If such people integrate and love our countries than we are truly great. The problem comes when you bring in a lot of them and worse when they are of a culture like Islam (for it is more than just a religion) which at its core seeks domination and not submission (ironically perhaps some might say) hence why they constantly ask for special treatment. I mean in Britain it seems they are now brazen enough to want the reintroduction of disgusting blasphemy laws... but for chiefly Islamophobia related reasons of course.

 

You're right, this discussion is time wasting as you're clearly being dishonest and trying to simply provoke responses. Not that I particularly mind much, makes it all very easy.

[Caecus]

I do wonder if you actually think you're on to something with that. Seen that type of thing many times, on this forum even. The narrative is that people who oppose X on Y grounds are not honest, that it is racism pure and simple and all that. Such thinking of yours is why you aren't as smart as you think you are as you simply cannot distinguish all the pieces on the board for what they really are. 

 

Nothing makes me happier when it comes to politics then to have successful and integrated immigrants who love their new country. If such people integrate and love our countries than we are truly great. The problem comes when you bring in a lot of them and worse when they are of a culture like Islam (for it is more than just a religion) which at its core seeks domination and not submission (ironically perhaps some might say) hence why they constantly ask for special treatment. I mean in Britain it seems they are now brazen enough to want the reintroduction of disgusting blasphemy laws... but for chiefly Islamophobia related reasons of course.

 

You're right, this discussion is time wasting as you're clearly being dishonest and trying to simply provoke responses. Not that I particularly mind much, makes it all very easy.

 

I haven't pulled race into this argument, not even once. I don't know how you think race has anything to do with it. You can be white and Muslim, black and Muslim, Arab and Muslim. 

 

Your belief that somehow banning the region from immigrating to the US doesn't solve anything. We've already established that the terrorists are already here and radicalized, and Islam as a religion is a dominating cancer that infects other groups with extremism. By that standard, banning them from entering into the country is pointless if you don't also take the step of eliminating Islam from inside the country.

 

Which brings me to my point: Gas them already. Deportation is going to take too long. Find a Muslim, shoot a Muslim. Do you honestly see a more effective means of securing our country? To prevent Islam from infecting our populace? WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS IS THE ONLY LOGICAL WAY!?

[Rozalia]

I haven't pulled race into this argument, not even once. I don't know how you think race has anything to do with it. You can be white and Muslim, black and Muslim, Arab and Muslim. 

 

Your belief that somehow banning the region from immigrating to the US doesn't solve anything. We've already established that the terrorists are already here and radicalized, and Islam as a religion is a dominating cancer that infects other groups with extremism. By that standard, banning them from entering into the country is pointless if you don't also take the step of eliminating Islam from inside the country.

 

Which brings me to my point: Gas them already. Deportation is going to take too long. Find a Muslim, shoot a Muslim. Do you honestly see a more effective means of securing our country? To prevent Islam from infecting our populace? WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS IS THE ONLY LOGICAL WAY!?

 

Race in this context is used beyond that as people here know all too well.

 

I've already stated how to tackle such things and its nothing dramatic as its just common sense. I will not repeat myself so refer back if need be.

 

You let the facade slip with comments like that. Thats how you get put on suicide watch mate, believe me. They start by actually making arguments (as flawed as they may be), then they become dismissive, then outrageous, and finally they go on suicide watch as I broke their back, !@#$ed their ass, and made them humble.