Big Brother Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Based on your past comments you don't care apparently (odd way to show it), but as ever you are completely disconnected from other people which I suppose would explain why you're a Communist maybe. Its not arrogance when you're as good as the Roz, and I just told you two groups of people who do care (the winners and losers) so try again and this time actually answer what I said. I'm plenty connected. If you actually believe that there aren't people out there who sympathize with communist ideas, you are the one that's disconnected (again, this is no surprise to anyone outside of your circlejerk). I'm sorry Roz, but it is arrogance. Keep brainwashing and deluding yourself all you want, but anyone with a clear mind can see it for what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 I'm plenty connected. If you actually believe that there aren't people out there who sympathize with communist ideas, you are the one that's disconnected (again, this is no surprise to anyone outside of your circlejerk). I'm sorry Roz, but it is arrogance. Keep brainwashing and deluding yourself all you want, but anyone with a clear mind can see it for what it is. Of course there are but that doesn't mean they are connected to what the people really think. No one outside your very small group wants this future of bread and water of yours. People want to earn money, they want to have things, they want to succeed. Communist's failure to realise these fundamental truths is why they will never win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Of course there are but that doesn't mean they are connected to what the people really think. No one outside your very small group wants this future of bread and water of yours. People want to earn money, they want to have things, they want to succeed. Communist's failure to realise these fundamental truths is why they will never win. And your failure is seeing them as fundamental truths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Your posting history seems to suggest otherwise, but fair enough. Citation Needed, again. Last time I checked, I only call whiney liberals whining about things, whiney liberals. Regardless, the OP clearly isn't trying to create an even field of discussion for both sides. He came straight out the gate basically painting all the people who don't have the "opinions we need more of" as racists and neo nazis. I don't see you objecting to that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 And your failure is seeing them as fundamental truths. Ok I'll bite. Describe to me exactly what your communist utopia would look like, and how it would operate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrde Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 I love it when people put on these airs of being superior, worked out real well for Rahl didn't it? You're not superior or "amusing yourself", you simply lose and lose and nothing more. These people as I said don't post because they cannot win, their ideas have been proven to be bankrupt. They can always show great anger but even that they know doesn't faze anybody here. Cannot win, yes- because everyone posting here posts with an ideologically closed mind. I'm a centrist because I listen to ideas and form compromises. So my only real idea is building compromise and consensus before acting. That's methodology, not ideology, and I don't think many people would say that those methods have been proven not to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Cannot win, yes- because everyone posting here posts with an ideologically closed mind. I'm a centrist because I listen to ideas and form compromises. So my only real idea is building compromise and consensus before acting. That's methodology, not ideology, and I don't think many people would say that those methods have been proven not to work. I've heard that before and it ain't as positive as you make it. Such talk is why governments in a lot of places consists of Conservatives and Conservatives lite, whereupon the supposed Socialists have "compromised" so much they are hard to distinguish from their opponents. I'm willing to listen to people's view on the matter, they simply are unable to convince me. Take open borders/immigration/multiculturalism. They see my opposition and slam me as wanting to kick all immigrants out and reduce immigration to 0, some go so far as to say that because of that I am a racist and whatever else. I then tell them that immigrants indeed are a good thing but we need controlled numbers and to integrate them instead of banishing them to ghettos. Every time they then have no convincing argument (as my opinion is the middle ground while theirs is an extreme). Now I know you wouldn't hit them for not accepting my view, so why should you get to hit me for not accepting their view which I have dismantled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) There isn't enough voices coming from the right, I'm in the center and Roz leans to the left mostly. Those people who you think have something of value to add have simply no clue about reality much like most of the lying media and others. Far right? Lol give me a break, the far right would hardly even be allowed to post here, your ignorance makes you perceive common sense positions as being solely right or far right. This isn't a safe space. Those two guys who can't post here anymore are the perfect example of the ignorance of those on the far left, so sure in their ignorance that it cost them their voice. We won back our future in Britain and now we won back our future in America, the next battleground is France, win or lose we will keep on fighting for the survival of western civilization. Hell is on your doorstep, pretty soon reality will hit you and you will at the very least be another Roz. You ain't seen nothing yet! Edited November 27, 2016 by Lightning 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrde Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 I've heard that before and it ain't as positive as you make it. Such talk is why governments in a lot of places consists of Conservatives and Conservatives lite, whereupon the supposed Socialists have "compromised" so much they are hard to distinguish from their opponents. I'm willing to listen to people's view on the matter, they simply are unable to convince me. Take open borders/immigration/multiculturalism. They see my opposition and slam me as wanting to kick all immigrants out and reduce immigration to 0, some go so far as to say that because of that I am a racist and whatever else. I then tell them that immigrants indeed are a good thing but we need controlled numbers and to integrate them instead of banishing them to ghettos. Every time they then have no convincing argument (as my opinion is the middle ground while theirs is an extreme). Now I know you wouldn't hit them for not accepting my view, so why should you get to hit me for not accepting their view which I have dismantled? I'm not a fan of ideologues of any stripe really, be it left or right. The only thing I'm interested in hitting is the idea that ideological purity is preferable to getting something done. Politicians should be in the business of helping people as much as possible, as quickly as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rozalia Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I'm not a fan of ideologues of any stripe really, be it left or right. The only thing I'm interested in hitting is the idea that ideological purity is preferable to getting something done. Politicians should be in the business of helping people as much as possible, as quickly as possible. Talking ideological purity is not something you should be talking to us about. We got Conservatives, Socialists, Libertarians, and such who have discarded purity to take anti-globalist positions which their ideology at its "pure" level supports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcKnox Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 >Kemal can no longer post >Bad thing Debating with him is like pulling !@#$ing teeth. You're better off without him. 1 Quote Praise Dio. Every !@#$ing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Cannot win, yes- because everyone posting here posts with an ideologically closed mind. I'm a centrist because I listen to ideas and form compromises. So my only real idea is building compromise and consensus before acting. That's methodology, not ideology, and I don't think many people would say that those methods have been proven not to work. In politics, there is a very fine line between compromise and subjugation. 1 Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trump Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Mostly because there's no far right people. There's reasonable centrists and center right people like Solaire and Bubblegum. However, anything that isn't a part of the far left Liberal worldview is a "Nazi". If you disagree, show me the last time people came on here with Swastikas, denying the Holocaust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 >center right Interesting, what views do you think define you as part of the far right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) The fact I am about as far away from the center (and left) as you can get What kind of question is that The fact that simply being labelled far right doesn't accurately represent your views on key issues. For example me being in the center could have more extreme right views than you do on key issues. Edited November 28, 2016 by Lightning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchy Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Oh my view is quite simple really. People are too stupid to make their own decisions, so we create laws to control the decisions people can make. This covers quite literally everything in day to day life. However, a functional economy cannot run with a lot of government intervention, so the less government in economics, the better. so economically liberal and socially authoritarian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) Oh my view is quite simple really. People are too stupid to make their own decisions, so we create laws to control the decisions people can make. This covers quite literally everything in day to day life. However, a functional economy cannot run with a lot of government intervention, so the less government in economics, the better. Those aren't exactly the things I was talking about, I was talking about the key issues facing the west today such as the things brought up in this thread. The government certainly is stupid so any faith placed so heavily in them is misguided, that's isn't to so the say the people aren't the same but it can't be perfect. It requires good people to control and we lack the good people. Edited November 28, 2016 by Lightning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Well you can guess my views on any which subject by simply looking at what I post on other topics. I'm not a fan of Muslim immigration - or Islam at all for that matter - and I'm a fan of Trump but I don't believe he's an ideologue. What else do you want to know, because that was all that was really in this topic. (This) government is stupid, not all governments are stupid. It's a simple matter of making laws and enforcing them. Something the current government doesn't do, which is why many voted for trump, and why the border patrol endorsed him. I've being away for months and know nothing about you, this post here is the first I seen and it makes me cautious. Because Kemal and lordrahl made a bet and lost, now it's an alt-right circlejerk + big brother Well that's where we will have to disagree as well because most governments if not all western governments are stupid, at least for now. If you can name a government of a nation that isn't stupid then by all means do so, stick to developed countries. Perhaps I'm too cautious of the authoritarian part of you, I like freedom. Being so Authoritarian I'm not sure you're a part of the movement changing the west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 >Kemal can no longer post >Bad thing Debating with him is like pulling !@#$ teeth. You're better off without him. You have to give him credit for holding up his side of the bargain, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 The problem with that is you aren't much better than those on the left everyone is against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisha Greyjoy Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 I feel like I consistently post a center-left counterpoint to the alt-right views on here. I'm just not as prolific as roz, for example. And I hardly ever post new topics, just responding to the insane shit they post. Quote Duke of House Greyjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) I feel like I consistently post a center-left counterpoint to the alt-right views on here. I'm just not as prolific as roz, for example. And I hardly ever post new topics, just responding to the insane shit they post. You forget this insane topic you posted? https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/13766-does-the-2nd-amendment-apply-to-african-americans/ Edited November 29, 2016 by Lightning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Todd Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Cause most of the people (americans) on here decide that because they are permitted to have free speech and blah blah blah, that it should translate into "Freedom to be a Bag-of-D1cks". Plus it's the internet. I guarantee that 98% of the racist people on here are cowards in real life that can only talk crap like this because they aren't face to face on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trump Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 >center right If you define the left to right line as capitalism vs communism, then an authoritarian government that is 100% capitalist is in effect impossible due to the fact it'd need to get it's money from somewhere, which would require intervention in the markets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Cause most of the people (americans) on here decide that because they are permitted to have free speech and blah blah blah, that it should translate into "Freedom to be a Bag-of-D1cks". Plus it's the internet. I guarantee that 98% of the racist people on here are cowards in real life that can only talk crap like this because they aren't face to face on here. Unfortunately our societies are screwed up atm so to reveal oneself leaves one open to the extreme likeness of aggression both financially and physically. You're part of the problem, labeling people as racist. Edited November 29, 2016 by Lightning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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