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Islam isn't as bad as feminism.

Besides, if you destroy feminism, then you destroy the destruction of due process which allows negligent immigration procedures that exposes you to radical Muslim infiltration.

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You have a problem with equal treatment regardless of gender?

8 hours ago, Rozalia said:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/06/who-runs-our-mosques/

So 1668 follow fundy garbage. 99.99% That's not really what it says

Understand the context I speak from please, that of a European standing. Muslims in America are apparently much better behaved... likely owing to not having the necessary bodies or perhaps hardline American practises having put the fear in them. We integrate them better into society. That's pretty much it.

No one cares about the standing of women in Islam. This patriarchy in Islam is unquestionable apparently. I have personally ran into that bit at the end myself, usually attribute it to racism more than religion though. I hope you equally detest ultra Orthodox Jews since they do the same?

The Wahhabis for all their press are not even 1 in 10. The Deobandi are near half and put forward disgusting fundy nonsense. Their followers are the ones when asked if Homosexuality should be illegal say yes. The ones who say they want Sharia law. So on. Note they do this openly which is simply brazen, imagine how many don't dare but believe it (only 23% or something au'octually oppose Sharia). Sharia as far as the US is concerned is irrelevant. The very first amendment to our constitution forbids that very specifically prevents it. Likely if it's used at all it'll be in the form of voluntary participation of each party and only in civil matters. It's ho we have Jews do their things. I don't understand where you get such terrible information.

The Pakistani connection there by the way is why Ahmadis get as attacked as they do by the way. Rarely, as I assume you've noted?

Note these Muslims. They certainly aren't perfect but lets just say they pass and are fine. Those people are the ones you say are good people and no threat. 

Now remember for a second that the Deobandis combined with the Wahhabis are a little over 50% of Muslims in Britain. At best, yes, at best, only just little over 50% Muslims in Britain are bad ones. This is not a "tiny minority" as you put it. What's 3.4m out of 1.3b? I mean, assuming your absurdity makes everyone Muslim in Britain to the ridiculous term it's basically about as tiny as you can get something like that.

Where are the fights to get women in power in Islam? To break segregation? To tackle the mountain of pure shit that exists in Islam? Nowhere. This is why I despise the progressive types. They will puff out their chest and can be brave when attacking long since dead men like Cecil Rhodes but when Islam comes up they kneel. I utterly despise Islam and I've talked to people about Ahmadis, apostates, women, and gays on what they face far more than any progressive I've ever met. I have talked to !@#$ing Nazis who have shown more care about Ahmadis than progressives. It is a !@#$ed up joke. Not being a bigot isn't very difficult. Did you know the Roman Catholics consider homosexuality a sin, abortion a sin, contraception a crime, prevents female involvement in all areas beyond living in facilities to allow them to disconnect from society in favor of small, single-sex buildings? It's shocking!

Oh and as for fundy Christians they have been finished for quite a while. I know you have an American lens where they still have some claws in places but in Europe they are very much a finished force. Here where I am the Conservatives appeal more to Hindus than they do Christians. You don't really know anything about me so continuing to pretend you do is quite similar to how you provide false quotes you create yourself and then dispute as if I've said them. It's a novel form, but still basically the same thing.

Now will you actually take in the info and shift your position or just try to state again that the problem Muslims are some mythical tiny minority? If you don't think a tiny amount of people is tiny your issue is not with me, but math.

 

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But it is. If they aren't modern then you can be certain they are Conservative. I also doubt this "better integration" when America is noted for having absolutely horrific problems among it's minority populations. The Muslims have simply tried to keep silent and not cause any problems due to not having necessary numbers. Increase that pop a bit and trust me, it'll be a very different story. Don't take my word for it though, just look at Europe. 

... You sound a lot like a Nazi who are the ones who will straight away bring that up. Why would I not be against such ugliness? Am I one of those "Jew lovers"?

I talk America all the time with you, I don't randomly chime in that you are wrong because it is not so in Britain. It would be bizarre to so don't visit such stupidity on me please. We are largely talking Britain here. Either take part by talking Britain or stop responding as you're not actually talking on the subject. Stating that I am wrong because that is not how America is, is completely irrelevant and an attempt to protect Islam with a misdirection. Engage on the issue of Britain or stop. Let me guess you will state my appeal to you to stop bothering me with irrelevance is an attempt at being a mod, right. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ahmadi-muslim-hate-crime-murder-asad-shah-murder-tanvaar-qadri-islam-gone-unchecked-uk-too-long-a7355401.html

Just downplay the hate towards Ahmadis. I mean who cares about such things. Funny how there is no other group you'll take such a stance on. 30 hatecrimes (remember this is Britain so numbers are naturally lower) in a couple of months is... well, who cares. Now if it was 30 hatecrimes on black people by whites, well I'm sure you'd quickly be on that.

What the hell do all the Muslims outside Britain matter? We're talking Britain so only those inside Britain matter, understand this or just don't bother responding. Lets say every single Muslim outside Britain is a living !@#$ing saint... and? What does that matter for those within the country? Just one of those typical irrelevant shots from your sort. 

And Roman Catholics get taken to task constantly. In fact so much so that the "Catholic priests are pedos" meme is very much out there and openly spoken with no issues. Try the same with Islam and where will it get you? In Britain it'll get you in a jail cell. DO NOT !@#$ing BRING UP AMERICA! IRRELEVANT! 

??? Why the !@#$ do I bother when you just keep churning out these outright lies? You have an American lens yes which is why whenever we talk on these British issues you will just go to the well of "it ain't like that here what are you talking about?". For once actually try and honestly engage by talking Britain, the subject here I'm talking about, or just don't waste my time. 

You get 1 chance. Go.

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4 hours ago, Gabranth said:

It's almost as if you've learned absolutely nothing from my discussion with you. Homosexuality is not a sin, unrepentant homosexual behaviour is considered a sin. You can want to have sex with boys but you're not allowed to act on those desires. It is considered a lustful action once you do. Abortion is a sin just as murder is a sin - Catholics believe life begins at conception. Similarly, contraception is a sin because all sexual acts outside of the purpose of reproduction is considered a lustful, and therefore sinful act. Take it from the founder of Vatican II, Paul VI who basically defined liberal catholicism. "Contraception is 'any action which, either in anticipation of the conjugal act [sexual intercourse], or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible' (Humanae Vitae 14). This includes sterilization, condoms and other barrier methods, spermicides, coitus interruptus (withdrawal method), the Pill, and all other such methods."  Sorry, I made it a few years past confirmation before going...idk, apathetic, I guess. I'm not a Catholic so I'd personally have an issue with the US becoming a theocracy. It's been rumored Pope Francis is considering alteration to permit contraception to reduce HIV infection rates in Africa. I can't see anything but accuracy to  (current) Catholic beliefs.

That's Islam, mate. 
Nunneries, actually

A big number for potential murderers. That's twice the amount of people that live in my state. That is an absolutely stupid number. Imagine the entire prison population of America, Russia and China and that's the amount of people who want to see our countries burnt to ash. I fail to see your lack of urgency toward this issue. Realistically that's the entire population of Muslims within the United Kingdom. My estimates have indicated around a million Muslims that are of any threat, which would make terrorists a whopping 0.0333% of the population worldwide. Seems kind of odd to judge more than a billion other people. We lose more people per day than 9/11 due to cancers, heart disease and car collisions than terrorism. Police kill more people in the US than terrorist.

 

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6 hours ago, Gabranth said:

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the terrorism index is so low because there is a very large effort to prevent terrorist attacks? Not at all. If you read many stories about suspected terrorist activities prevented it's often entirely the fault of the agents working undercover and doing whatever is possible to get that person convicted of terrorism. Sure, I don't doubt that more people die to car crashes, but practically everyone uses a car. Not everyone comes into contact with a terrorist, and the reason for that is that we have safeguards to prevent people who would purposefully do us harm out of the country. Same goes for policing and, to an extent, heart disease. There is only so much progress that can be made by throwing extra money at an issue, safety ratings on cars is one of them, medical research is another. Even with all the top people working with an unlimited budget, it would still take years to come up with a total cure (a total cure to what?), whereas if there were an unlimited budget to safeguard against terrorism it would disappear overnight simply because it is a social issue that can be eradicated, whereas health and safety issues are another beast entirely. Yes, fair point more people die due to other things, but this thing can truly and honestly be prevented if there is action taken towards eradicating it. Other issues like the ones you mentioned are not so easily solved. A Final Solution to the Immigrant Question?

Nunneries are wholly voluntary, hijabs and burqas are not. I didn't suggest otherwise, though what they wear is pretty close to a hijab.

 

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Then you are smart for choosing to not engage further because if we talk Britain then you might have to actually have to face up to some ugly truths you won't like. 

Still using those two garbage arguments though I see. First off no one cares about this billion you keep mentioning, they can do what they like. It is the Muslims in the west that matter. The rest don't. Second your definition of "problem Muslim" is the radicals which indeed are a tiny minority. Mine which you don't care to even explore in fear of what you'll find is the Conservative Muslims such as the Deobandi who are sexist, racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, religious supremacists who act as the grass for the snakes that are the radicals. 

You seem to hate Christians like the Catholics for their beliefs... not the most extreme Catholics, but the rank and file. You have no issue with that. Yet on Islam you constantly state #NotAll and try to state that it is just a very small radical section that is the problem. No. The rank and file Muslims, a great deal of them, are the problems in Europe. They need to modernise and come into the new millennium.

I'm someone who savages Christians with no issue on these matters. Gabranth can attest the times I have talked with him on homosexuality and how stupid the opposing of it is. If I were to not give Islam the same respect and savage it too I would be as said, disrespectful, but also a coward which is what I believe you are. Actually for once speak out against Islam, Conservative Islam followed by most Muslims in Europe, not the Radicals, the Conservatives. I already know you won't so no need to answer.

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3 hours ago, Rozalia said:

Then you are smart for choosing to not engage further because if we talk Britain then you might have to actually have to face up to some ugly truths you won't like. That I don't give a !@#$ about Britain?

Still using those two garbage arguments though I see. First off no one cares about this billion you keep mentioning, May I see your polling data that indicates this? they can do what they like. It is the Muslims in the west that matter. The rest don't. Second your definition of "problem Muslim" is the radicals which indeed are a tiny minority. Mine which you don't care to even explore in fear of what you'll find is the Conservative Muslims such as the Deobandi who are sexist, racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, religious supremacists who act as the grass for the snakes that are the radicals. We have a lot of groups like that without them being Muslims. We don't decide to hate the rest of the country based on that.

You seem to hate Christians like the Catholics for their beliefs... not the most extreme Catholics, but the rank and file. You have no issue with that. You're mistaken. Yet on Islam you constantly state #NotAll and try to state that it is just a very small radical section that is the problem. No. The rank and file Muslims, a great deal of them, are the problems in Europe. They need to modernise and come into the new millennium. No, they're not. If they aren't going to attack someone they're not dangerous. We already have a Jewish population that's basically doing most of your Islamic complaints without issue.

I'm someone who savages Christians with no issue on these matters. Gabranth can attest the times I have talked with him on homosexuality and how stupid the opposing of it is. If I were to not give Islam the same respect and savage it too I would be as said, disrespectful, but also a coward which is what I believe you are. Actually for once speak out against Islam, I have. The very, very small amount that are violent are an issue. How much fundamentalist they are in their beliefs is in no way harmful and we already allow Catholics (Mel Gibson objects to Vatican Two) and has a group that still acts like the Church ran before it. We tolerate ultra-fundamentalist Jews already, as well.. The radical Conservative Islam followed by most Muslims in Europe, not the Radicals, the Conservatives. I already know you won't so no need to answer. Your beliefs as far as I go are basically meaningless. I'm not sure if you've decided I'm in every religious or political group or not, but until you can decide and remain consistent it's pretty irrelevant what you say about my political beliefs.

 

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And off you go with the American talk. Utterly irrelevant to everything I said. 

First off "no one cares" is not a literal statement, figurative to mean very little. Second do tell me how much you care about the Congo civilian and how much you push for things to change over there. Do lie if you like, wouldn't be anything new. 

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3 hours ago, Rozalia said:

And off you go with the American talk. Utterly irrelevant to everything I said. So you direct a post specifically to me and become annoyed that I answer you? As for politics, according to your posting I'm somehow Communist/Socialist/Liberal/Alt-Left (the fictional existence of which is hilarious/Neo-conservative/Sharia enthusiast/who is not nearly bigoted enough for your comfort.

First off "no one cares" is not a literal statement, figurative to mean very little. Second do tell me how much you care about the Congo civilian and how much you push for things to change over there. Do lie if you like, wouldn't be anything new. That's more your thing and massive donations to NGOs working on that, respectively.

 

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No, did you read my post? NGOs are not the government. As to whether you believe me I really don't care if you believe me or not, tbh. Your opinion on that is just as irrelevant to me as your political opinions are to the United States. BTW if I missed any other political groups you've assigned to me it's probably due to the sheer number so if you need to add more of them to keep things accurate feel free to do so.

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NGOs cover the whole world apparently. You would have to give money to several and make sure they cover the globe which I doubt even the largest contributors bother with. You're a liar. 

Nothing in my post dealt with your political status so again, you're a liar. 

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12 hours ago, Rozalia said:

NGOs cover the whole world apparently. You would have to give money to several and make sure they cover the globe which I doubt even the largest contributors bother with. You're a liar. 

Nothing in my post dealt with your political status so again, you're a liar. 

Again, irrelevant. :)

 

8 hours ago, Gabranth said:

Every sedevacantist objects to Vatican II (that's Vatican the Second, not Vatican Two by the way). The only difference between fundy catholics and fundy Islamists is fundy Catholics don't kill people. You could argue the IRA bombed people but even that was more of a front to cover the nationalist republican Irish. Again, all these fundamentalist groups respect the secular values of the West enough to not attempt to dismantle it through terror attacks, of which Islamist fundamentalists have no issue with.

My priest referred to it as Vatican II. Many Catholics inside the US have killed people, too, at any rate.

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To get back to the point of the thread...

I consider myself an AnCap....but my views aren't set in stone and I flip-flop between AnCapism and a Classically Liberal society w/ a government often...

queue shitstorm

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15 hours ago, Hope said:

To get back to the point of the thread...

I consider myself an AnCap....but my views aren't set in stone and I flip-flop between AnCapism and a Classically Liberal society w/ a government often...

queue shitstorm

I was an an-cap a long time ago before I realized it just results in an-com.  It doesn't have any traditions to ensure that people respect property rights.  Instead, the nature of competition just degrades into uncivilized conflict.

The key to improving society is refining its style, not its changing its structure.  

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