Lyre Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Is humanity innately bad? Are we all selfish hypocrites who only bring destruction in our wake? Does everyone have the potential to commit the most immoral of acts? Does humanity deserve pain, suffering, war, and punishment? If a victim of a crime is in a different situation, can they be a perpetrator of a crime and hurt someone else (e.g. Rwanda where the Tutsi began to get revenge on the Hutus by committing some atrocities like the Hutus and had done onto them)? I want to hear what you guys think about the nature of the world and us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalmor Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Yes Humanity, as in man in his natural state, is naturally against God and the will of God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon A McCann Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Yep because we are humans it is in are nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitri Valko Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Not everyone is inherently "bad"; although it may seem so at times. It is often times best not to dwell on the evils of man, but instead to seek solace from it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Haddad Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 are we innate anyway. Quote Caliph of The Caliphate of Arabia. Caliph of the Islamic State of Arabia. Principle of The Principality of Chechnya. Grand Emir of The Emirate of The Caucus. Emperor of the Empire of Persia. Sultan of The Sultanates of Turkey and The Crimea. Czar of the Tsardom of The Balkans. Archon of The Archonate of Greece. Supreme Consul of The Consulate of Italy. Shah of The Shahdom Of Khorason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hequ Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I personally think it is a case to case situation but we do not want to do bad things, we just di because we lake foresight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekejen Luish Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 This is generally not the type of post I would expect from a user named "Fluffypuppy". I like to take the belief that the reason for humans being "bad" is greed. Every time. 1 Quote This is very small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitri Valko Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 This is generally not the type of post I would expect from a user named "Fluffypuppy". I like to take the belief that the reason for humans being "bad" is greed. Every time. Well, there have been "bad" communists, so it's not "every time", right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur James Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 their selection of choice given them what they become based on what they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Good and evil are just constructs, things we make up to explain other things. There's no good or evil in the objective world. If you think humanity is evil, then it's evil to you. If you don't think it's evil, then it's not evil to you. It will never be entirely evil or good to everyone. There will never be agreement on this nor any way to actually measure whether humanity is more evil or more good, not in a moral sense. Even if you did tie the definition of evil or good to something actually measurable and discovered that humanity is mostly evil, humanity is made up of individuals and there will always be individuals who contradict the majority. Unless every single human being is proven to be evil according to a measurable definition of evil, in every situation they come across, it would be inaccurate to state that all of humanity is evil, at least in any actual empirical or objective sense. Maybe you could state that the majority of humanity is evil but that would also mean you could truthfully state that humanity is also good or at least not evil. If anything, I would say humanity is beyond good and evil. Capable of ignoring or choosing both, yet unable or unwilling to fully succumb to either. No one forces us to completely stick to either side and we're able to understand that moral good and evil in traditional thinking are more or less meaningless constructs. We don't have to be good, we don't have to be evil, we don't even have to believe that these things actually exist and matter outside our own heads or even in them. As long as humanity possesses free will we won't fit in either box. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemal Ergenekon Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Define good. If you define good as most common religions do, then yes, most humans are innately evil. Short term / individual benefits outweigh long term / communal benefits in the ethical calculus of most people, although few would admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fistandantilus Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Well said* big brother @OP: A lot of it boils down to society to, the human brain is incredibly* malleable and is the product of it's environment largely(Conditioning to be specific). If you are concerned about selfishness, Hypocrisy, or violence(That's your definition of evil), those traits are not inherent of being human(As we can easily see), but also the conditioning the individual received throughout life that encouraged or created those traits. Edited May 19, 2016 by Fistandantilus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Humanity has the capability of committing atrocities. Humanity also has the capability to heal the world. Evil does indeed exist. However many define Evil subjectively and often view their own dislikes as Evil, which is incorrect. Socialism is Evil;Capitalism is Evil; Trump is Evil; Hillary is Evil(well, yeah, but lets move on); Nacho cheese is Evil; Atheism is Evil; Islam is Evil; Jews are Evil; Mormonism is Evil; Gays are Evil; Liars are Evil; Decaf Coffee is Evil- it is what we perceive our views as which causes us to not see what Evil is purely. Malevolence is probably the one universal Evil recognized by most. 1 Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrezj Kolarov Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 No, humanity is innately good. The amount of people in the world who follow the law and basic morality by far outnumbers those who don't follow the law or adhere to basic morality. Every country in the world has a system which enforces law and order and suppresses disorder and lawbreaking. Quote People's Republic of Velika: National Information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 No, humanity is innately good. The amount of people in the world who follow the law and basic morality by far outnumbers those who don't follow the law or adhere to basic morality. Every country in the world has a system which enforces law and order and suppresses disorder and lawbreaking. Laws and order are just as subjective as good and evil. What some consider law is actually oppression. What some consider order is insanity. Enforcement to many is witnessed as massive abuse of authority and an excuse to commit murder. It has also been well documented that virtually everyone breaks dozens of laws daily, thus refuting your claim that many outnumber those who don't follow the law. I personally find it odd that you equate State Law with "Good" and "Law Breakers" with "Evil." I assume you do not Gandhi much. Quote Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 No, humanity is innately good. The amount of people in the world who follow the law and basic morality by far outnumbers those who don't follow the law or adhere to basic morality. Every country in the world has a system which enforces law and order and suppresses disorder and lawbreaking. What does it matter if people follow the law and/or basic morality if it cannot be said to be objectively good to do so? You can believe that doing so fits with your idea of what is good and I'm sure plenty of people would agree with that as well, but such subjective moral and human beliefs cannot be said to be objectively good and the rest of the vast universe or the rest of humanity does not automatically adhere to our own conceptions of morality. After all, humanity in relation to the universe matters little but humanity in relation to itself is far more important (or at least it seems that way to human beings). Maybe we can discover some truth of what good and evil is and where we fit on such a scale within the scope of humanity itself but it all falls apart in the scope of the cosmos. As for laws and disorder, they can certainly be both good and evil depending on your point of view and the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valakias Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Wrong question, since good and bad are something that we made up along the way, and the standards for each keep changing as we change . The right question would be, are we good at surviving, collaborating, moving on? Yes, we are, as a whole, we can progress. Newspapers only spread the bad because we love the drama, but it doesn't cancel out everything we do to keep our world togheter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 No. Good and Bad are concepts we created. 1 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Is humanity innately bad? Are we all selfish hypocrites who only bring destruction in our wake? Does everyone have the potential to commit the most immoral of acts? Does humanity deserve pain, suffering, war, and punishment? If a victim of a crime is in a different situation, can they be a perpetrator of a crime and hurt someone else (e.g. Rwanda where the Tutsi began to get revenge on the Hutus by committing some atrocities like the Hutus and had done onto them)? I want to hear what you guys think about the nature of the world and us Yes to everything, but the label "bad". We are all driven by self interest, further compounded by sicknesses, delusions, and misconceptions. But, our survival instincts provide for a facade of altruism that makes most social interactions good most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacity Peace Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Any living thing that has lived has come from a living thing that did whatever it had to to live and reproduce. Nothing beautiful can result from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I disagree. Get in this philosophical state of mind and watch a lion and a gazelle run for their lives. There's something beautiful in that microcosm of what it means to live. Life has just become so disconnected from the underlying struggle for survival. So, you get all these mental problems and identity issues and moral delemas. Survival is simple and without morality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacity Peace Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I disagree. Get in this philosophical state of mind and watch a lion and a gazelle run for their lives. There's something beautiful in that microcosm of what it means to live. I personally find this horrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I personally find this horrid. Go eat some vegetables, hippie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peacity Peace Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Go eat some vegetables, hippie ... go eat some meat... redneck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Lol, I do that every weekend. So, what do you find horrid about life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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