Grimz

Could you post that image again? Seems to be unavailable. Clearly you're not glorious. Anyone with positive rep is an establishment swamplord

Well, I'm the owner of my profile. I think that's glorious enough.

Facts Lie When They're On The Ground HaHaHa. And Your Facts Love To Lie Because You're At the Bottom Son, I'm At the Top

You are Fake News. Anyone who downvotes or upvotes me agrees edit: ebeezy admits he's fake news 2018 confirmed halal egg

Can't be the greatest if you don't exist :^) Lord will live on through my forum flag. I don't know who "HBE" is but clearly they're shit, otherwise they'd be the ones living on in glory through my profile

Except the indisputable Number 1 alliance of All Time

Sorry for the confusion, I do not own Lordran. I get this kind of thing all the time though; I'm a natural leader and people just assume I own the things that I'm a part of.

It is indeed "litty litty tree fitty" as the kids say

Sorry to hear you're leaving

The intention of this thread is good, but imo it's just not a problem in this community. If you are a big !@#$ in general, you will probably not be allowed to stay in an alliance for very long anyway.

I lol'd at that article. It's basically saying "People are mean to females on the internet just like they're mean to other males!!! We deserve special privileges!!! Sexists!!!" People look for offense in everything these days. The majority of people I know love to screw with each other; making an exception and saying "well you can't say that stuff to women, you can only say it to guys," kind of implies that they're too weak to handle the same kind of shit-talking we do to each other. That article, while preaching against sexism, is ironically sexist for wanting people to avoid saying the same things to girls as they'd say to their guy friends. Hate to tell whoever wrote that, but just because you're offended by something, doesn't give you the right to speak on behalf of your entire gender.

You said that Arabs cannot be held responsible for the actions of their government. That is giving them a free pass. All throughout history, people have taken responsibility for the actions of their government and risen up against it. But here you are, saying that these people are very special and should not be held to the same standard that we've created for ourselves and other populations. You are correct about the events of the Arab Spring, but guess what happened at the end? People backed down. Kinda ironic that you take the Arab Spring as an example here, because the protesters who survived actually backed down facing death because they weren't willing to die to stop the atrocities of their government. Sure, you can call not willing to die to fight injustice "bullshit," but the world would be a very different place if many more people believed what you do. Imagine if people like MLK believed that risking one's life or freedom for justice was "bullshit." Your belief is not the norm sorry to say. Also, funny how you whine about strawmanning, which I never did, yet you're spewing ad-hominem attacks at me throughout your response. So not only do you have a double standard for Arabs, but you also have a double standard for yourself. Good to know. Also, I like how you see my latest argument, realize you can't refute it, and then edit your last post to say "I'm not gonna keep arguing with you" to make it look like that was your intention all along. If you don't want to admit you're prejudiced, that's fine. But just know that by constantly making excuses for people, you're only covering up the problem. You're not solving it.

French Revolution. American Revolution. Haitian Revolution. Spain. Portugal. China under Mao Zedong's vision of Communism. I could go on. All throughout history people have taken a stand when things became too wrong. It is prejudiced to believe that Arab people are less capable of doing so, or are somehow not able to realize what their government is doing is wrong. As I mentioned in my original post, there are plenty of people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali who advocate for the reform of Islam and Arab governments, but are shut down from discussion by people in the US, because people here think things like "oh they cant change anything," "oh they're raised in that environment they dont know any better." Even though change through self sacrifice has happened all throughout history, for some reason people don't see it as possible when it comes to the Muslim world.

Good job ignoring the vast majority of my argument. You've managed to perform logic chopping and present a false equivalence all in one sentence! If you'd bothered to read the rest of what I said, you would realize that people *do* have a say in what happens with their governments. And your bit about Trump is a hilariously false equivalence because you've misconstrued "government" with "person in government." Also, Trump does not throw gays off of buildings or tell women they can't drive. Food for thought. If those people were not sexist, they would not continue living in a country run by a sexist government. It's as simple as that. And here you go again, implying that Arabs get some sort of free pass because they could be thrown in jail for standing up for what's right. Guess what happened when the British government tried to milk the US colonies dry without giving them much in return? A revolution that many laid down their lives for. Guess what happened to Martin Luther King for standing up for racial equality? Thrown in jail, murdered. Guess what happened to the many whites who were NOT trained soldiers, simply local militia, who decided they wanted to fight for what was right? Wounded. Killed. Guess what happened to people like John Brown, very religious people who wanted to see the end of slavery? Murdered by the government or tortured by slaveowners. Guess what happened to god damn Galileo for telling the church it was wrong about the Earth being the center of the universe? Arrested and outcast. And guess what happened to members of Antifa who showed up to protest against the Nazis in Charlottesville? One got hit by a car and murdered, others badly wounded. People in the US lay down their lives every single day for what they believe in, so the question is, why don't you apply the same expectations to other cultures? Because you believe they're less capable. You are thinking of Arabs as these poor, helpless people who are simply incapable of taking a stand for themselves, and that is why I made all of those points. I did not strawman you; I challenged your very belief system because it is based on the notion that Arab people are somehow incapable of taking the same stands that we've seen all throughout history, that they get some sort of free pass for supporting sexism and outright murder. Strawmanning involves creating an argument the other person didn't make and then refuting that, but you see, you made every point I argued against indirectly. Your belief that the Arab people are incapable of challenging their government stems from the fact you believe they're weak or don't know any better, and I demonstrated why that believe system is very wrong. Once again, you are the problem.