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That's a bit of a catch-22 though. Power is fickle. It resides where people believe it resides anyway. Those people at the top "killing the game", whom you call out as the villains of stagnancy are only there by the grace of the masses. And the masses love a winner. The ideal scenario for 80% of the game is this: - Be part of an "efficient" alliance with just enough transparency to allow them to hold on to the illusion of having a say, being heard and "relevant". They may not really believe that they dictate what happens, but as long as enough token is given and as long as point 2 is satisfied, they will drink the koolaid. - Win. This is the big one. People love winning. They don't want risk. They want to illusion of risk: They want to be the badasses taking names. - Grow. Even if you satisfy point 1 and 2, the majority of "regulars" want to grow over time. Stall them long enough with war (winning or not) and they will eventually form dissent. The above applies to nearly all regulars (arrgh-style stuff excluded, though an argument can be made that even arrgh adheres to point 1 - 3, albeit in a different manner). And it reinforces stagnancy bottom-up. Here's how: Those "leaders" who do not satisfy at least 2 out of the 3 of the above points will eventually lose their member base to those who do. It's essentially a bottom-up reinforcement of the same stagnation people complain about. If you're not efficient and transparent enough, but manage to win and grow (with growth being at least higher than counterparts), you're fine even if you don't "win". But relative growth without winning requires pixelhugging (An example would be GPA of old). The other way around it applies too: If I manage to make my alliance win and be "efficient", but fail to allow for (relative) growth, dissent will formulate and turnover will occur. Whether I hold on to power is then dependent on new recruitment pulled from showcasing "winning". Another combo? I can try to "win" and "grow" without being efficient. This requires a diplomatic submission to a more efficient power/dominant power. So, leaders are incentivized by their member's natural tendency towards security (which is id daresay, at its root, the entire reason alliances ever came to be in the first place) to be boring. When a leader disregards this incentive to make a controversial move (thus inciting the drama and Dynamism™ so many pretend to crave), this comes with personal risk: Anything short of victory/success tends to lead to a direct or indirect loss of power (direct in terms of members, indirect in terms of political capital with allies, as the above principles can be applied both at intra and inter-alliance levels). That loss of power would in turn reduce the ability of that leader to try anything Dynamic™ in the future. That's without delving into the psychological effects of above negative reinforcement. If a victory by chance is booked, it tends to lead people to flock towards that leader (and/or entity), thus reinforcing its power and ability to do so again. The problem is... nothing lasts forever, and so once the failure is booked, the herd moves on to the next best thing. Point being: Leaders do not hold the power as you claim. Members do. But as long as the brunt of members follow their basic urges, leaders are disincentivized from taking risk. If members were to start supporting more erratic/risky ventures across the board, leaders will start taking more risk: Every time a plan is hatched, any leader worth his salt weighs the effects his moves might have on his member base, after all. So if you are in a do-nothing alliance with a do-nothing leader and preach change, walk your talk and either become a leader yourself to show the way, or throw your weight behind an ambitious leader who is not risk-averse. Anything short of that makes you a hypocrite. Your move, Shifty.

The other issue is the mechanics are heavily geared towards stagnancy rather than action. People seem to forget just how costly large scale wars are in general. The last war for example, IQ took 111bn in damages, and EMC took 69bn in damages. This is just infrastructure damage, it doesn't even account for the (rough guesstimate) ~100bn in resource costs, which under the market post econ update, is probably worth 200-300bn now. This means it takes months to prepare and/or recover from a large scale conflict. Since you can't fight without resources, this imposes a pretty rigid mechanical restriction in general on how often an alliance can engage in global war generally. Add to this the recent econ update, which game-wide reduced the overall production of resources whilst simultaneously bumping prices, and you have a resource shortage situation that will get exponentially worse over time, resulting in increased resource scarcity and wars that happen further and further apart. This has the natural effect of incentivizing any rational leader, even the most gung ho pro war leaders, to pick and choose their wars carefully rather than just hit anyone anytime they feel like it.

Yes, I think they're right. From what I've read here and heard in these Orbis streets, IQ has been CRYSTAL CLEAR from the start about what their intentions are. I'm under the impression that they've said they're focusing on econ, growth, and they won't initiate a war unless they know for sure they'll win. That seems like the wise thing to do when you're owning the game and everyone is afraid to touch you. The issue is that EMC (I don't know who specifically, but I have a good guess) didn't listen to their rivals, listened to everyone else complaining about them winning (?), and it has somehow made it soooooo much worse and more boring, if that was even possible. Point being, lions pay no mind to the opinions of sheep. If you dominate the game, don't let haters make you feel guilty and make you break up your own success. That's what EMC did and now there's nothing to counter IQ but a bunch of players complaining about IQ killing the game and even less likely to do !@#$all about it. If everyone is bored and complaining of stagnation, the "Dynamic™" thing to do would be to support and make ACTIVE moves to force your enemy to bend the knee. Why kindly ask for your rivals to give up their advantages and pretty please request that they bend the knee, when you can just take a bat to that thing until they hit the ground? Btw, Stratagem is open and recruiting all nations who are about THAT LIFE. Come in at the ground level of the next hegemony to rise!

Well the context when most people refer to a lack of wars is generally global wars, and with the exception of maybe Papers please, there has never really been a complete "curbstomp" in a global war. The last true global war was 9 months ago, all previous wars before that were 3-4 months apart at a time. As for the idea of joining the losing side, whilst its true most alliances join the winning side more often than the losing side, who lost the last war isn't always an indicator towards who will win the next one and there is plenty of cases of people joining the opposite side. And looting opportunities isn't really a factor running through the head of 90% of alliances so idk where you pulled that one from. That assumes everyone has the exact same priorities which they don't. Some alliances wish to grow, others wish to fight, some wish to be the most powerful etc. In general you can break the game down into two different groups, those who avoid damage in order to advance another goal, and those who advance another goal to avoid damage. If avoiding damage is the ends not the means than you are a pixelhugger. My point being, there is plenty of rational reasons to sacrifice an advantage, it depends entirely what your end goal is. Unfortunately this is a wider issue in the game, many alliances have no purpose other than to exist. If your only goal is to exist, then you have no pragmatic reason to go to war at all, and plenty of reasons to act like a pixel hugger. Curbstomps are not a common occurence in global wars and therefore aren't really relevant to the subject. Its not really that hard to avoid a curbstomp in general. Your using examples that don't apply to the conversation. I'm not sure how Arrgh proves your point, Arrgh isn't relevant to the topic at hand either. Arrgh is an outlier, their entire playstyle relies on them being an outlier. If everyone started playing like Arrgh, it would invalidate their playstyle completely because all your prospective targets would also be raiders. Arrghs economic viability relies on the stagnancy of other alliances.

Name: Inf Lost Inf Dest. Soldiers Lost Soldier Kills Tanks Lost Tanks Dest. Jets Lost Jets Dest. Ships Lost Ships Dest. Money Lost Money Looted KT: 17,116.91 177,848.02 1,377,309 3,689,496 22,985 108,014 9,972 32,940 671 1,337 $30,861,092.10 $148,565,967.98

I would term the irrelevant as inactive people who either won't or don't know how to get involved with things. Otherwise your relevance can be chalked up to your actions as long as you have somewhat of an alliance backing you. The problem is, every single alliance in the game right now has no inkling of democratic process or member involvement. If they do, they're a freebooting pirate anarchy. So we have the vast majority of people out there disillusioned with a boring game going inactive, then we have the people who consolidated their power in the name of efficiency and opsec complaining because there's the same handful of people making the big calls and shockingly none of them will change their minds on anything. We need new blood. We need new systems.

needs more KT bashing otherwise good post

Ironically, your girl did that to me last night.

This is your time @Kastor. STRIKE NOW WHILE THEIR DEFENSES ARE DOWN FROM CELEBRATION

Dogpiled

The Holy Land is safe. Praise the Lord! Swift rebuild guys. I know we'll meet again. o/

Deus Vult! I hope that father is God, I know Kastor likes to submit... 'Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time,' - 1 Peter 5:6

He doesn't need her, he's got a deep relationship with his father.

technically we only attacked because you said you would attack us, so if you use that logic, your attacking because of yourselves

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~this message is NOT sponsored by Advanced Idea Mechanics~ Now, I originally wasn't planning on bringing this up on the forums, but a couple of incidents involving getting banned from the Pantheon server when I questioned what happened (and then unbanned, and threatened with a ban if I brought it up again) made me want to spill some tea for all of y'all. Pantheon tends to have a reputation of having, well, questionable government members to say the least (Madden on the radio show anybody?). But, their amount of whales tends to keep them afloat, and makes them some pretty good money despite their low taxes. Around 12/1, a couple Arrgh nations began a mild assault on Pantheon's upper tier in defense of Warpool, declaring 5 wars. Now, this, I believe, caused Pantheon to send their bank to one of their government members, ValhallaValkyrie (https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=36419) on 12/3, two days after the wars were started. Here is the transaction, listed as "Safekeeping" (https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=36419&display=bank) sent by Akiyama Mio, Olympian of MilCom: Date Sender Receiver Banker Money Food Coal Oil Uranium Lead Iron Bauxite Gasoline Munitions Steel Aluminum 3) 12/03/2017 12:53 pm Pantheon Bank Tsardom of Slavia Grande Mionesie $1,700,000,000.00 5,300,000.00 40,000.00 100,000.00 180,000.00 40,000.00 30,000.00 20,000.00 680,000.00 510,000.00 270,000.00 340,000.00 This transaction was brought to my attention a day after it was withdrawed, and by that time ValhallaValkyrie had deposited most of the refined resources, amounting to 650k gas, 500k mun, 250k steel, and 300k alu. However, they still had all of the raws and money. ValhallaValkyrie then deposited 120m, listed as "Grant Duties," however I assume that was his own money. Now, there was still a large amount of, well, everything on his nation, as I was sent this spy report by someone I will not name: You successfully gathered intelligence about Tsardom of Slavia. Your spies discovered that Tsardom of Slavia has 25 spies, $2,656,042,883.44, 40,017.50 coal, 100,039.34 oil, 179,347.00 uranium, 40,000.00 lead, 30,000.00 iron, 20,834.79 bauxite, 75,849.53 gasoline, 64,922.38 munitions, 58,816.48 steel, 92,602.37 aluminum, and 4,978,630.46 food. Your agents were able to operate undetected. The operation cost you $909,326.67 and 0 of your spies were captured and executed. Save this information; if you leave this page you will be able to see this intelligence report under your espionage notifications. Now, if you are to send the entirety of your bank to a member of your alliance, especially if some of your alliance has been attacked by Arrgh, they need to be fully militarized. However, strangely enough, due to the incompetence of their own membership or their MilCom, Valhalla Valkyrie had no ships, despite having max or near max of everything else. This then lead to him being attacked by one person on 12/7 and two others on 12/8. Even though he then started buying ships, every time he tried to buy some they were destroyed by his attackers. The first person, as well, will most likely be getting the beige. Stay tuned, and may their bank rest in peace. The questions I have been asking myself have been as follows: 1) Were there no allies Pantheon could send their bank to? 2) Why did the member they sent their bank to not have any ships, leaving them open to blockades? Now, it has been brought to my attention that Panth had some sort of incident with t$ regarding their bank during Silent, but that doesn't excuse obvious incompetence, and they're paying the price for it. Panth thinks they're good enough allies with TKR to ask them to do counters for them, yet they couldn't possibly send their bank to them or one of their members? After all this, there are a few things we can learn. 1) Trust your allies. If you can't send your bank to them, why even have them? 2) Make sure the person you're sending the bank to has max military. Especially ships. The reason I make this thread is more to voice concern, and to bring attention to people on how not to handle situations like these. It's okay to make mistakes, as long as you can learn and grow from them. tl;dr - Panths upper tier was hit by Arrgh so they sent their bank to one of their members. This member wasn’t fully militarized and so he was attacked and is now paying the price. This leaves me to question Pantheons decisions, especially their internal affairs and milcom. Especially how their milcom didnt see a possible problem regarding said person having no ships.

Because certain people bought the narrative hook line and sinker.

Oh my lort.

joke alliance of the year? lol

I doubt it

The Umbrella Corporation has passed many regulations against viral research in the company. All viral research is to be held in an Orbital Platform so it cannot escape and ravage Orbis. The Umbrella Security Service will be constructing 1,500 new VTOL aircraft for support. Ooc: Tbh I didnt want to get removed from the map but don't care about NatRP right now so here'sa short update kthx

Yet another hit-and-fade with no response from Daddy... Yes, god forbid we do anything more than two days of war lest we suffer negative consequences.

Well, the people are the top are still the people holding all the cards. The game is stagnant because those people want it to be stagnant. They don't want to take risks and try new things, and it's miserable for the rest of us... but they're still at the top. That's kinda like saying that the rich man is shit because he's old money and only works a few hours a week, and you're better because you work an honest 9 to 5 for 40 hours a week. However, you're still working 9 to 5 for 40 hours a week making 20-60K and he's still rich doing almost nothing. So, yeah, the guys at the top, the 'relevant' people are making the game miserable... but they're still rich and you're just a member of Roz Wei.

This is one of your Top 10 creations.

Seb, some advice, may want to take a break. You're not listening to criticism, instead you're seeing the opposition as bias. That's a quick way to kill any possible support you could receive, and if it continues, it could also kill your reputation elsewhere too.

I just want to point out something. This recent trend of topics is what we're stuck with since Syndisphere is gone and IQ is pretty much in isolationist/consolidation mode. I'm sorry.

I'm having a good time, makes for good memories.

Operation: Masked Mission Statement: Fallout of Operation Agincourt Classified Level: Incident "Any word from Commander Zero?" The officers of Zodiac International sat around in their bunker as silence filled the room following the report the Grand Dreadnought was sunk off the coast of France and near Restoria territory. As it looked as if no one would speak up one of the Lieutenants stood up. "It's clear our systems and very location are compromised. I suspect Mog[Corp], Restoria, France and their fellow governments worked together as an excuse for not only our minerals but also our technology. As such, I propose Operation Masked." The officer sat back down as she finished sitting back down near an empty seat. "The Lieutenant is right, Operation Masked must go through if we wish to scavenge what is left. The grand game is over as much as it pains me to say so." The Major and other high ranking Zodiac officials agreed as each of them uploaded something into their control system. Each officer contained a single piece of a much larger virus that was created to kill the very technology of Zodiac's arsenal. Any remaining human-operated vehicles were sent transmissions to disembark and kill their system making their tanks, planes, ships, and vehicles useless. "Orders have been sent out, every Zodiac member will disappear into the world. Today we mark the end of our dynasty, the end...of the year of the Zodiac!" The officers all drank a cup of alcohol before finalizing the kill order. Within moments the lights, files, classified documents are began being eaten away by the virus. Everything in the country began to shutdown, and important structures that could be used by the enemy were blown up. Everything the Zodiac International gathered in Africa was dismantled and destroyed to save the lives of it's members. Every bit of evidence that could be used against them was virtually knocked out. "One day the world will remember this as the day we paused. We didn't surrender, but we gave the hope for a second coming to be realized. By saving our soldiers, officers, and finances, we saved the very thought of a free world. For the price of a pause. These are the last words of Zodiac International, and the first...for the Zodiac Order!" Transmission Corrupted

yay more shitposting

why am i speaking for both parties?

I hope....with all my heart, that Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell never needs to really rely on the U.S. Military

When I did my 20 years in the military, I was a pretty staunch Republican. Hell, Republicans at that time were for bigger defense budgets which meant bigger pay raises and better and more equipment. Since my military retirement in '12, I've become pretty disillusioned with both main parties. The biggest thing that pissed me off about this whole "BOHICA" (Bend Over Here It Comes Again): Senator Claire McCaskill (D) introduced a resolution that would have secured pay for service members, she then said, “I don’t want one moment to pass with there being any uncertainty of any soldier anywhere in the world that they will be paid for the valiant work they do. The POTUS and Senate leadership didn’t show any regard for protecting military pay as they moved to shut down the government. Senate majority leader McConnell (R) quickly objected to McCaskill’s resolution. Will Fischer of VoteVets noted The POTUS was willing to use the military “as a prop,” but when it came time to take substantive action, they dropped the ball. Veterans make up 1/3 of the entire federal workforce,” and The POTUS shutdown meant they would be “hit twice” because they will end up “missing paychecks and having benefits denied or delayed.” In 2013, legislation ensured military pay would continue, uninterrupted by that year’s shutdown. Now, with full control of the government, The POTUS has completely abandoned the military. So if this would have lasted for say several weeks or even months, the military folks still would have been required to do their jobs with no guarantee of even getting back pay and god forbid if anyone got killed in the line of duty, their families could possibly lose all the benefits they are entitled to as well. Nice looking out for the military you !@#$ ing dumb ass Repub-tards!

Roz Wei in 1 picture

back to (one's) roots to revisit one's past.

Maybe If y'all didn't want to rename and rebrand and vote Yes on it we wouldn't have changed our names. But hey. Little piggy !@#$ tiddies always gonna be little piggy !@#$ tiddies.

We all thought @Mad Max with his ESD --> SetDef --> WeyYu and VE --> GoG was bad..... but this.....

Trump is sitting pretty with this. Their recent lies about him that to most people comes off simply as the simple truth haven't helped either. Simple fact is that those 800,000 people are not affected by the wall so why not agree to the wall for their sake? Because the Democrats don't really care about that 800,000, they're far more interested in the many more people that the wall does affect.

Thread locked for necromancy.

>Defends tS because "!@#$ paragon" >Attacks tS two months later because "paragon was going to roll us five months ago" Definitely candidates for the worst alliance ever.

right now unless you come to an agreement with someone there is zero point in doing away games, see in real life its fine as people are forced to do home and away games so it balance however in PnW its basicly what you wish you could play a 1000 home games and never once play an away game. I would like to see a change on this where the profit is split. however if you have two teams one is level 100 and another is say level 35, home game tickets total is say $25,000 so the split should be 17.5% of the total gate ($4,375) to the level 35 (35% of 12,500 half the gate), As we all know that a level 35 team would not win vs a level 100 so there is zero reason for that level 35 to spam away games, now if he got a % of the tickets you would find more people willing to play away games.

guys, this bank would be coded by Alex, its a project I sent to him and he liked it and wanted to hear the popular opinion. but this bank would benefit lower nations allowing them to take loans while private banks would give them insane interest rates and dry them up and force them to quit and default. I am the owner of one of this private banks, the difference with me is that I am willing to evolve to make the community a better place while other bank owners just want to keep cashing in money. so for once, put your greedyness aside and think what could be best for the community, a world bank available for everybody and not to a selected few that happen to be friends with the bankers or for instance are willing to pay insane interest rates. this rates have been as high as 11% a week to my knowledge. if you are going to critisize it, do it with a valid opinion and not a biased "I like my money making machine and don't want to let go" opinion. private banks can still exist and this World Bank would be a tool to get the smaller nations their next city ahead of time, that is all.

Winners don't pay reps, and when you attack us of course Oblivion is going to counter, same as you countered us. For a person who always advocates war and is part of a "military alliance" im disappointed that your actions don't seen to match to your words. You attacked belligerently seeming to forget you're not invincible because you've got good stats, of course counters will come and will take you down. Relish in the opportunity to fight brother as you always claim you want to, it's what I'm doing Edit: for clarity, i mean how I hit INH, arch hit me, I hit jodo, Dayne and Boyce hit me. Counters lead to counters, don't see any of us complaining

Kudos to Guardian as well, wouldn't have worked without them helping out.

I think it’s more the principle of reliance on one’s self than a lack of trust in their allies. Pantheon has made a mistake which can be divided into three phases: 1. The lack of proper minimum military requirements and/or enforcement of this policy 2. The admission of someone like ValhallaValkyrie into government 3. Failure to send the bank to a proper depository 1: While I am sure Pantheon has MMR in regards to planes/ground, they apparently do not have an MMR set for ships, and/or are not sufficiently enforcing this policy sonar to prevent mishaps like these. 2: ValhallaValkyrie is one of those people who VM’d in Silent, and would optimally be disqualified from government positions, especially high government. 3: Valkyrie did not possess a sufficient, well balanced military. For two, the nation has little war exp. For three, since Pantheons upper tier was being raided, it would have made sense to send the bank to one of their allies rather than a nation that could be targeted easily. (TKR would have been optimal if they allowed it) Having said that, kudos to both TKR and TCW to have had sent counters in without any prior request, counters that have by this point in time effectively saved Pantheons bank from being beiged in as great of an amount as it would have been.

Good times

Good luck UPN, enjoy

tl;dr - you're bored. Regardless, have fun with the war.